Religion, the truth or a horrible lie?

I'm assuming when you use the word "creation" you actually mean "the origin of life".

The theory of evolution never attempted to explain the origin of life and evolutionists never use evolution to explain the origin of life. That isn;t what evolution is about. It's not a theory of everything.

Your argument is as ill founded and illogical as saying "history is flawed because it doesn't explain how to play a trumpet". It was never meant to and it never tries to.

There are theories explaining how the first cells could have formed and reproduced, but unfortunately for you and your comic book understanding of evolution, Evolution isn't one of them.

But even then, You are falling back on this stone age mentality of "if i can't explain how something happened god must have done it".

 

What a sickeningly Miss world type thing to say.

I have a better idea.... If someone expresses a belief that is illogical, Misinformed or incorrect, let's say so.

 

since i lack this intellect that you apparently possess, could you explain to me how trees were formed please?
Oh thats right you cant, you can only "try" to explain how a blade of grass became a tree, but you lack intellect to know how it originated. So fine. Where did the blade of grass come from, or what ever it started its life as?

And I'm not using god to explain what i don't understand, for I do understand.

 

Trees wouldn't have evolved from grass. They would have evolved from moss or something similar. Which in turn evolved from an algae type plant.

Do you want me to explain how clouds are formed too? that was also a reason the poster believes in god, Clouds, Of all things.

 

you have yet to answer the first, so how was the moss or algae formed?

 

He spoke specifically about trees. So feel free to ask a separate question if you would like to know about the formation of algae. You know, Just so we can observe first hand the dishonest, disingenuous approach to dialogue that you religious people have.

Also, Feel free to provide some kind of evidence that a "god" is responsible for it at any time. Or does your argument rest entirely on the false dichotomy fallacy (google it)?

 

If you read the quote in your previous statement you will notice there is a separate question. But it doesn't matter the inevitable answer is you dont know, nor does science. The proof that God exists is all around you, its the miracle called life, whether it be a tree or a child. The problem is, All mighty science can not touch origin/creation. It is very obvious that some way some how, we and this world, were created, and in such a perfect way, that if the moon some how tilted just a degree, it would destroy all life on earth. The moon was placed there, to help create the habitat that life could thrive in. Only the blind deny God completely, I said earlier, lack of faith in religion is one thing, but to doubt a God, Or Creator, is plain ignorance.

 

You talk about god being the answer to the question "how did life come about?" in the same way primitives used it to answer the question "why does the sun rise in the morning?". It's the god of gaps. it's what dishonest people do to give their childish illogical beliefs perceived credibility. You have already come to the conclusion, Now all you have to do is mine quotes and search for evidence, or more specifically a lack of evidence to the contrary, that support your preconceived conclusion.

if you disagree with the above start presenting some evidence, Actual evidence, and stop searching for small gaps in science that you can cram your imaginary god in to and claim it is the explanation.

As science progresses you are going to be finding fewer and fewer gaps to cram this imaginary god in to and you are going to have a very hard time presenting any kind of argument, Even arguments as facile, illogical and fallacious as the ones you are presenting now.

I would also like to see some papers, Articles or data that suggests the "tilt" of the moon would have any effect on the earth that would result in the destruction of all life. The moon is a sphere. Unless you on on it i don't see what difference it's tilt would make. And before you post articles that talk about the distance the moon is from the earth be aware that the earth is constantly moving away from the earth, It once was much closer and one day it will be much further than it is now.

 

Ok the evidence i present is that which is most obvious. Everything has a creator. Things don't just magically appear, unless done so by some higher power AKA God.

Your a smart guy, are you going to sit here and tell me you don't know the importance of the moon, yet you claim to be this all knowing scientific atheist?

The moon has a gravitational pull on the earth, if it were to change just the slightest, it would change life as we know it.

http://www.astrosociety.org/education/publications/tnl/33/moon3.html

 

Exactly how many "earth's are there in this universe?

 

You are using your inability to think of any other cause as evidence of god. That is no evidence at all.
If someone was being tried for murder would a lack of other suspects in it's self be evidence that he is guilty? Of course not.

it also does your argument no good when you include a get out clause "X is impossible, Unless done by Y" when what you are arguing for is the existence of Y.

If you are going to make the claim that "everything has a creator" and "things don't just appear" you can't use an argument that relies on something having no creator and relies on things just appearing.

of course i am aware of the importance of the moon. But it was the tilt of the moon you were talking about and you made the claim that if it's tilt altered by one degree it would result in the destruction of all life on earth.

If you are talking about the distance, Well that's a different thing altogether. You should know that the moon moves further out in it's orbit every year and was once so close that every wave was a tsunami and it will one day be so far away that we no longer have tides.

 

If the dead body lie there, with no murderer in sight, does that mean there was no murderer? No the evidence is a dead body, obviously someone killed him

Evidence - life on earth
just because you cant see the creator, doest mean one doesn't exist?

The evidence is there, and even science cant come up with a solution or theory to where it came from.

And for me, I do not worship god because he is the only answer i can come up with, i worship him because, i love him, and he resides within me. A force that i can physically feel. Thats my evidence, I'm trying to produce evidence that you can see, but you deny the obvious. You don't want to know the truth. You want to hide your eyes and deny God.

 

yes something caused it, But you are making the claim that the something is "god", based on nothing except no other explanation.

It is not evidence if you are simply pointing out a lack of contradictory evidence. You have to present evidence FOR what you are saying, Not rely on a lack of evidence AGAINST what you are saying.

 

Yet you rely on no evidence to dismiss him altogether, and you seem to think that is ok.

 

You are apparently unfamiliar with burden of proof.

You are also apparently unfamiliar with negative proof.

Do all of your arguments consist entirely of logical fallacies?

 

Perhaps you are right, but the logic thing here is this

an item is present therefore someone had to put it there.

if you believe an item can be present yet no one put it there, you require more faith than i do to believe in God

 

I guess that rule applies to everything besides your god?

I don't believe someone has to have put it there.

You are becoming quite the expert at double speak. Your ability to maintain two contradictory opinions symultaneously is astounding.

You are saying; something can't come from nothing, So the universe needs a cause, The cause is god, Which is something that can come from nothing and had no cause.

You start off trying to use logic, And then completely invalidate it by making your agent an exception to the rule that required him in the first place.

if the cause and effect rule is so important and unbreakable that it warrants you invoking a supernatural agent at least have the common sense to not make your supernatural agent an exception to that all so important rule.

 

If we all find this life, as we know it, comes to an end right now, and we are standing in front of God to be judged, what will it take for anyone to go to Heaven?

 

I never heard a priest at a funeral say "John was a bad man. You all know him well. You all suffered because of him. Let it be known that he will be deserving of his place in Hell" Does this mean no one goes to Hell? According to what the Bible teaches, Hell (Gehenna) is not a place of fiery torment but a physical place, a garbage dump that had continual tar and sulphur added to keep the "incinerator" burning, so the contents in the fire would end up as "nothing". Jesus was talking about a "symbolic" Gehenna and not a real Gehanna.