Paulunteers, grabbed this from the LewRockwell blog, Here is how the Independents voted, Funny how the GOP doesn't support the candidates with the broadest appeal for the general election. Oh well, Reagan lost Iowa too.
But I'm still disappointed. A 3rd place in this small state would have given Paulenteers a morale boost. I hope the performance is better in larger states.
I'm quite sure we captured a larger share of the delegates than the position we got in this statewide strawpoll. Delegate elections occurred after people voted tonight, and many people don't stay for those. I'm pretty sure the campaign had advised Precinct Captains to keep people around for those votes. It's ok. It wasn't a victory, but it wasn't a failure. The RPForums are already seeing a lot of new people signing up tonight. This was a building block.
Yes, I too was initially quite disappointed but I think that's just because my hopes were so high. But when looking at it from the perspective of people who do not yet know much about Ron Paul, the 10% showing may actually look to be surprisingly good. He out performed almost all of the polls (except Zogby which had it right.) I think the MSM has been making it out like he only has 2 or 3% support so a 10% showing in a state that doesnt seem particularly receptive to that whole freedom thing... The fact that he more than doubled the "front runner" Rudy Giuliani also really helps to legitimize Ron Paul. We'll see. It's all about New Hampshire now. Unfortunately, I think that Obama's strong showing may actually hurt Ron Paul somewhat - as I think in that open primary more independents and Dems who may otherwise have considered crossing over to vote for Ron Paul will vote for Obama instead. That being said I do prefer Obama over Clinton and if anyone but Paul wins the Republican nomination I'll be supporting the Dem. nominee so... I'm keeping an eye on that as well. Also, from the perspective of the Democratic party - they have to be really happy tonight. The Republican party looks to be in complete disaray and I think that Obama (or Edwards) will do much better in the general election than Clinton. I know that the Dem. establishment would prefer Clinton of course... but I think Clinton being the nominee is the only thing that will make the general election close. I also think that it's the thing that may draw a serious 3rd party challenge... Huckabee Vs. Clinton... Vs. Paul? Hm... ? I don't think that'll happen. I guess it's too late to be typing.
If he can get a 3rd spot all the MSM scum that totally ignored him tonight because he was "out of the chart" (they only shown the 3 top democraps and top 4 republicans in the pie charts, even though Americas fake mayor was close to what Paul was getting) will have to list him. He needs more recocnition to the average American buddy, that's for sure. I was listening to the Huckabee "victory speech" and to be honest it was vomit inducing. I've never been too keen on people that use religion for their evil gains.
I believe only two people have won the Iowa Caucus and gone on to win the general election. They were Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush, if I remember correctly. Iowa is overrated. It does not reflect the views of most of the country and it has little influence on the other primaries. Iowa just tests the candidates and tries to get them to commit to corn subsidies (or in this election, support for ethanol). New Hampshire is another story. You'll likely see a few campaigns derailed after New Hampshire, and several big names will probably drop out, particularly Thompson, who seems to have trouble getting traction anywhere and with any particular group.
Thats because Rudy skipped Iowa all together...so its not really a victory for RP...I find it interesting that Rudy skipped and STILL got that much support verses Paul who campaigned hard.
Paul did not campaign hard in Iowa. He hasn't campaigned super hard anywhere in particular. Paul had one office, and spend around $1 million in advertising leading up to the Caucus. Media spots were all bought up by Romney and Huckabee and there wasn't a lot of inventory left to purchase. I know, because the grassroots produces and runs it's own ads and we could do little except in central Iowa.
Yep, his nutjob and his sane supporters. But the Iowa ground campaign doesn't compare to the NH ground campaign. We'll see, there is money to run well through Super Tuesday (or 30 states).
No, but if you can't afford to travel, host events or run advertising, you might as well quit, and many do. Huck did well because he's the evangelical candidate. But that's not enough to carry him in a brokered convention. Romney will buy up people who drop out and their delegates like he did with Tancredo.
so when will RP quit?? I think the evangelicals helped him, but I doubt they did it all. I think his support of the Fairtax also helped, as well as the fact that Huck is just a genuine guy. He is a likable guy, just like osamabama. RP's downfall is his supporters who go to extremes to cram his name down your throat. Just look at this forum, it is full of RP threads and posts by people that just want to spam his name.
lol just remember what your saying about the nut jobs, there are some nut jobs that support Ron Paul and if your guy wins the elections i doubt these nuts will stand around and accept it. Some people are seriously fed up with the way the country is being run and a lot of them are opting for violence if nothing is done. So don't be to hopeful if your friend gets elected. it could be short lived.
He's got more money on hand than anyone else in the GOP except Romney. I think he'll go the distance. We have another fund raiser coming up. He got 80% of the evangelical vote. This is a state that Pat Robertson once won. The FairTax probably helped in Iowa. It's a strong issue there, not so strong elsewhere. Likable is great, but I'm not interested in voting for my new best friend, I want someone who can manage the economy, foreign policy and respects the rule of law. He/she could be ugly as sin, rotted teeth, and speak in tongues, but if he/she can do the job, then that is all that matters. It's not a f**king popularity contest, we're talking about the moral responsibility of picking the most powerful person in the world for the next 4 years, someone who has the ability to kill or save 10s of thousands of people based on how they manage foreign policy alone.
yes, and dems said at the last election that if Bush won they would move to canada. They really kept their promise, didn't they?
if they could move they probably would. its not about if they wanted to or not its most likely if they could. Canada is certainly a lot better in some ways but i can't just pick up my house and move there if i wanted. Everyone is pretty much stuck in this country unless your rich.
but he doesn't have a war chest like hillary...and as I said, money does not buy you votes. That was proved last night. you would be surprised...the fairtax is very strong in the south. but so is evangelical christians. SC should be interesting for Huck, I predict a win, but we will see. the sad part is that even though you and I may not vote on likability and appearance, most of the country does. Look at JFK, and Bill Clinton...they both carried the women's vote on their appearance, and both had multiple extramarital affairs as well... rigghhttt....they couldn't afford it, they couldn't find a job, blah, blah, blah, we hate bush, we are miserable, blah, blah, blah...same story, all the time.