Iowa Caucus - Early Reporting Updates

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  1. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #41
    As am I.
    I have looked at them all and just honestly can only support one of the crowd, the one I will even admit doesn't have much of a chance. Did do better than 'national polls' would suggest though.

    On the Dems side I just don't know one bit, definitely not Hillary. On the republican side, McCain at one time but not anymore, if only I could build my dream candidate. Anyone for fantasy presidential race the game? :D
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #42
    good job gtech. i hope you become more and more confident as the days go on.

    oh and so far, 10,000 people is a lot to be calling "loonies coming out of the wordwork". that's a part of America is it not? are you anti-American, or do you just represent the small part of America that has the exact same viewpoint as yours?
     
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  3. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #43
    We had a 3.8 Richter-scale earthquake last week near my hometown of Anchorage, Alaska.

    I rate today's tremors in third-place Hillary Clinton's camp in Iowa at about a 6.2. What has happened to the widely-publicized "inevitability" of her campaign?
     
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  4. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #44
    there's not enough old, fat women i guess jim.. unfortunately for her.
     
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    #45
    Well, as much as I think it's news - and it is news: Obama took not only women, which is troubling for Hillary, but 41% of independents, which is troubling for whatever GOP takes the pennant - I don't think it is yet titanic news. Remember, Bill didn't even campaign in Iowa, came back to 2nd in N.H., and the rest is history.
     
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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #47
    Don't worry Jim, Hillary is nailed on for next President of the US of A. Nearly 30 years of a Bush or a Clinton ruining America cannot be supressed.

    I doubt that Hillary is too bothered by coming third in the slightest.

    The thing that worries me is that Americas Fake Mayor Adolf Giuliani is not going to get the GOP vote because I predicted Americas Fake Mayor v Shrillary as the contest with Hillary winning thus continuing the disaster that Dumbass Bush, Pappy Bush, Bill Clinton and the rest of the close knit neocon families have done for years.

    Even if Americas Fake Mayor wins the disaster will continue but in a country with about 300 million people with 2 families in charge of it for nearly 30 years why break the tradition. :eek:
     
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  8. northpointaiki

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    #48
    Just curious, Gauharjk - but as you know, following on the heels of your "insisting" I answer a question put to me, I answered your query and requested you do the same. The question remains before you, as you know.

    But beyond this, I really do wonder where you are getting your information - what I have seen so far is reliance on questionable journals, many of which are allied with the National Alliance and the neo-Nazi movement. Why?

    And on what basis are you declaring a conspiracy? Who has given you such assured knowledge?
     
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  9. Jim4767

    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    #49
    It's amazing how so many people fall for so many conspiracy theories. I recall 20 years ago when many folks were fearful of the great Masonic strategy to take over. Today it's hard to find any Masons left under 80 years old! (slight exaggeration) Another in a long list of conspiracy theories bites the dust, as will the Bildeberg one, the Council on Foreign Relations, etc., etc. ZZZZZ
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #50
    A "new" world order I don't agree upon, but a world order, most certainly does exist. I don't think it has to do with the Bilderburgers, masons or any of those groups, they are distractions. It operates out of the UN.
     
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  11. northpointaiki

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    #51
    I don't see it, Nate.

    The U.S. went to war, for instance, with most of the rest of the world - the body of the U.N. including - giving a big thumbs down. If there was a unified world order - where was it? Did it want the Iraq War, for some reason, and wanted the U.S. to take the fall for it?
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #52
    sure why not? wars help the elite. conflict is great for them.

    just keep hitting your brother for when the real bully comes into town, then when you're nice and weak from taking all the beating, you can have another fight.
     
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    #53
    Twas ever thus. From the time when tribes were roaming Europe, naming the head chieftain "King," to today. I don't see how this is a world "order" when this body, for example, is about as unified in outlook as a Gordian Knot.
     
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    #54
    It was just a little humour for all of us here...:D

    I don't even understand this crazy stuff like "new world order" and conspiracy stuff. And you keep talking about some "National Alliance" of which I don't have any idea.

    That comment was posted on BBC, check the link below. I thought is was funny. Thats it.

    You know what, i really like your style of writing and your command over English language is astounding. Whoever could have thought of starting a post with "following on the heels of your..."

    You're an amazing writer I tell you... :D

    And, that "insisting" stuff has been settled by now, I guess. Just let it go.

    Peace
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #55
    just because what you hear on the tv, radio and news doesn't mean any of it is true. Bush doesn't pull the strings in this country, he's a puppet. Who does? the hell if I know, but it's apparent that he's just a talker.

    there are secrets, tiny sects of the government won't even tell the president. for instance, information regarding area 51. I know call me crazy! But Clinton was intrigued by Area 51 too!

    I guess he's just as much as a nut! Also, i'm not saying i believe aliens crashed there, but i'm just sharing one aspect. there are things that our commander in chief doesn't even know, the supposed "head of the government".

    now put the pieces together, with knowledge comes power - knowledge shared is power lost. ok so they have knowledge he and i don't, they have power over us! they have you by the balls right now and you don't even know it!

    people have come up with the cure for cancer and they were killed and the evidence destroyed, you don't think there's an elite sect out there that has just a hint of power over you??

    and no, i don't listen to alex jones neither am i wrapped up in conspiracy, rather i use common sense and i've spoken to people who have this kind of access to know.
     
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    #56

    I have provided hyperlinks to the posts referencing journals you have used to make various points. These site owners, and journal writers, are aligned with the National Alliance and neo-Nazi organizations, Gauharjk. I don't understand why you rely on those in expecting us to lend credibility to your points.

    The "insisting" stuff; though on a couple of other threads, you "insisted" I respond to a comment by Gtech; I did. I asked you to respond to what I feel is a gross misappropriation of your point of view (by the now banned) Grab - that killing of apostates and adulterers is literally commanded by your faith. He indicated this is the same view as yours, yet he adheres to death, while you consider this un-Islamic. I asked you to respond to the point of view, and to the appropriation of the point of view in your faith's name. If you decline to comment - that's fine. But recall that you were quite strident in insisting I respond, and your silence leaves doubt as to what your faith really means, to many, who have sincere questions. I won't request again.
     
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    #57
    I needed a little time to settle down, wait for the final results and catch up on caucus correspondence and insider news.

    RP's 5th place finish is disappointing, but only because expectations are so high in his camp. Really, we finished within 3% of 3rd, behind a war hero and former candidate, and a television star and famous Republican Senator. It's certainly not a victory, but definitely not a loss either.

    That said, we showed that we're certainly capable of organizing and performing better than America's Fake Mayor, who had a disastrous showing, after being the national front runner for months, the chosen FOX candidate and the supposed foil for Hillary in the general election.

    So while I am lamenting the missed opportunity to grab some spotlight, I am happy that we didn't prove the detractors right and displayed some viability.

    I've never been under any illusions this would be a landslide or easy, because it hasn't been for the last 6 months. Everything has been fought for and earned. I don't expect Michigan and New Hampshire to be any different.

    I think personally, and now that I have had a couple hours to get some perspective, it's pretty astonishing that Romney took such a beating to Huckabee. The next state with a strong evangelical base is South Carolina, and I don't know that Huck can repeat his success in strong Romney states like Michigan and New Hampshire. Certainly John McCain is in play in New Hampshire, and one has to question if Giuliani will disappoint there as well.

    We'll have to see how it plays out. The Revolution continues, we're in this until the end, the full 50 states. And after that, maybe more...
     
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    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #58
    any real ron paul supporter will step up after this and work twice as hard. i was disappointed, but we either have trolls on rpforums or half hearted d0uch3bags.

    i've always operated best under pressure, so this is no surprise for me or our side. i'm determined to turn things around by converting the state of PA - and i'm 100% sure that if everyone else did the same, we would win this.
     
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    #59
    I believe I have already done that. Grab my Heat's interpretation was incomplete, because he did not consider the prevailing conditions, which would indicate the real reasons for such a step to be taken.

    In Islam, even if you kill an ant, you will be questioned about it on the Day of Judgement.

    Even during war-time, Muslims have to strictly abide by the Rules of Warfare.
    During his life, Muhammad gave various injunctions to his forces and adopted practices toward the conduct of war. The most important of these were summarized by Muhammad's successor and close companion, Abu Bakr, in the form of ten rules for the Muslim army:[1]
    ”
     
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    No, his view wasn't "incomplete," apparently. There is a zero-sum game between literal adherence and room for contextual interpretation and understanding. He indicated that in modern life, there is no context to be made. Everything is to be taken literally. And so, he agreed, apostates and adulterers today are to be murdered. In short, I asked you to respond to:

    Sorry for the off-topic by the way, OP and others, entirely my fault for doing so. Gauharjk, if you'd care to continue, may I request we continue where it belongs?
     
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