American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

It's not from Sharia ruling, how many times do you have to be told that Iran and every Muslim majority country uses its own laws and only parts of Sharia? No country uses full Sharia.

 

No, this is not Islam. These are remote instances happening in third world autocratic countries, it is a rarity, and should not happen.

True Sharia law is not being implemented. Some stupid people interpret Sharia law in a way that is causing all these problems.

Sharia was created for the benefit of the people. It is just a set of rules. The problem is with the people in charge of Islamic courts. Like the issue of naming a teddy bear Muhammad, or a teenage girl raped was given punishment. I hope this changes soon, as people take control of these institutions which have been hijacked by extremists.

It can happen ONLY when US government stops supporting dictators and autocrats like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Turkish military... and man other places.

I am not saying it is America's fault only. It is our fault as well. But I am sure, change will come.

Sharia is a set of rules and regulations to regulate the lives of Muslims. It was written down by men like us. I'm sure it can be amended.

 

Absolutely... I agree...

 

You can repeat yourself a million times, but if you avoid the question each time, we're not getting anywhere. It is from the Sharia that these rulings are made. It isn't by civil authority that homosexuals are put to death, that teenagers are hanged, that women are shot, but by reference to Sharia.

In your unintended way, you are proving my point. Either these regimes are abrogating Islam by committing these punishments - and Sharia is problematic, for this very reason, as I have said, as it is subject to the whims of men over generations of "tradition"; or, under the wide swath of Sharia's "precedences, traditions, interpretations," they are fully within the ethos of Islam. Which is it?

 

Homosexuals don't get hanged that is rediculous. Let me type is one more time so your troubled mind can understand. The thing to do with the teenager being punished and such is because of the COUNTRYS LAW, NOT BECAUSE OF SHARIA. It has nothing to do with Sharia. Stop trying to find a place to blame Islam, it isn't working.

 

Judges in Islamic courts are the ultimate authority, and can twist the law to suit their needs. I don't like them.

Now, I know it should not happen. People who have studied Islam know it is wrong... But it is still happening. There is no single authority. Every country has its board of Islamic scholars, and these boards deliberate and discuss on what the interpretation of the law should be. There have been different interpretations of these laws for hundreds of years.

Most laws are pretty straight-forward and clear.

But some of them, like homo-sexuals being put to death, are even mentioned in the Bible. Today, your world is different. That is why you may feel it is wrong. But some people don't.

Even I don't like it. But then, blame the people who interpret laws in that way, not the actual law.

US constitution did not condone torture. But Bush found a loophole, and sent people to Egypt and Syria to be tortured. Then finally, put them in Guatamano Bay. So, does that make US constitution responsible for torture? No, those damn attorneys working for Bush did it...

 

You are avoiding the problem, again. If Sharia includes "traditions, precedences, and interpretations" by Muslim scholars, since it is Muslim scholars in these lands that sanctify the punishments, it is, in fact, Sharia - or is something you don't agree with not Sharia, something you agree with, Sharia?

 

Well, Gauharjk, your point stands in contradiction to Grab's point.

Grab has repeatedly insisted these are civil punishments, and not due to Sharia rulings.

You are saying (I would say, rightly saying) that these punishments stem from "Judges in Islamic Courts."

Which is it, fellas?

How do you guys feel about apostates? What should be done with them? People who commit adultery?

Chapter 4: STONING OF A MARRIED ADULTERER


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(Sahih Muslim)

My entire point rests on a couple of things:

Firstly, you either accept the Qu'ran, the Hadith, Sharia literally, or you do not. It isn't possible to embrace a text literally, word for word, and at the same time, accomodate the text for modern times, based on a "that was then, this is now" framework.

Secondly, you either accept that only the Qu'ran is the guiding book, or you do not, and in the latter case you accept the Hadith and Sharia as valid means of adjudication on moral matters. To pick and choose from among the Hadith and Sharia, saying "this is Islamic," and "this isn't," seems disingenuous, to me.

 

Why are you asking what should be done with adulterers etc when you quoted the answer right beneath your question? Of corse Quran, Hadith and Sharia are taken literaly, another silly question from you.

 

So, married adulterers and folks that change their mind - murder them?

I just want to be clear, since I have heard at various times, how these punishments are barbarities committed by backwards regimes, and are not a part of Islam.

 

In Grab's world where Sharia is applied correctly, what is the punishment for a Muslim who wishes to convert to Christianity or Judaism and disavow their personal belief in Islam?

 

I'll answer - kill them. Silly question.

 

There are Sunni hadith and Shia Hadith. Is only one of them to be accepted?

 

It is amusing to watch people try and justify words and beliefs which are so contradictory to modern ethics and morality. Some posters here are not sure whether to hide facts and pretend they don't exist or to publicly embrace and defend them. Either way, they end up looking foolish.

 

I won't comment on the IDF soldiers in that video because i have not seen it fully & i don't have any knowledge of what happened prior to the video or anything, it does look how you describe but i know that is would not be smart making assumptions.

I do agree with what you said for once though

 

Another stupid question. In Shia Muslim countries (Iran), Shia hadith, in Sunni countries, Sunni hadith, though there isn't much difference.

 

What do you mean? If you mean if someone has been married, divorced and then gets married to someone else then, no, another silly question from you.

 

I understand you feel threatened, so calling me stupid, etc. is what you have left. But you may want to stick to the debate at hand, if you would want to be honored accordingly.

The question was raised as you indicated hanging for homosexuality is part of civil, and not Islamic, law in Iran. I would point you to the Shia Hadith and Sharia.

 

Do you now need help with the definition for married adulterers?

And, you dodged the direct question regarding those who have changed their minds, and left Islam.

Do you honestly believe you fool anyone?

 

Still awaiting a clarification of these apparently divergent viewpoints.