American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

So marriage of 9 year old girls under sharia law is part of Islam?

 

Well, I suppose, in the same sense that "centuries of debate, interpretion and precedence" is a part of Christianity. But I still ask - if the Qu'ran is the full, final, and complete revelation, why the need for Sharia, after and extra to the fact? Seems to me once you introduce an element of "interpretation" to the argument, in addition to your "historical context," you now have men's viewpoints on what it all means. More figurative guidance.

Again, literal, or not literal. The two do not have overlapping logics.

 

Read my post before you, no country in the world holds full sharia law yet. What you mentioned is to do with Iran, take it up with them, not me.

 

You obviously don't have the secret decoder ring which explains all the apparent inconsistencies and also keeps the Koran from being altered. I got mine in a box of cracker jacks! Mmmm

 

I really dont have a clue what you are talking about. Sharia is just a law under the rules of Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_law

 

There are no inconsistencies or errors, you really do look like an idiot making these claims and not backing them up.

 

I think he is correct in the sense that it can be literal and in context.

If you take a sentence out of context and say to take it literal, but miss the meaning because you remove it from the context from which it came, then you can be like the media who persuade the masses through confusion, by doing just that.

Will Smith is a recent example. So, should we say Will Smith thinks that hitler was a good man?

 

Well, I thought it was fairly easy to address, but since you went to Wiki, let's use it:

So, based on the Qu'ran, with "centuries of debate, interpretation, and precedent." Men, in other words, making men's judgments on a supposedly perfect, complete, and final document, to be taken literally, for all time.

Let's pick one. Hanging a 16 year old girl for having sex. From Sharia. Right? Wrong?

 

You are a very confused person, I suggest you take a break from the computer and clear your mind and then come back.

 

Obviously you know what this code is and how it keeps the Koran from being changed ... so please tell us all about it.

If you claim it is something that you can't tell us then it is useless proving the Koran can't be changed.

 

Debunked, whether the Bible, or the Qu'ran, every word cannot be taken literally and be given the "out" of context when push comes to shove. Illogical in the extreme.

This isn't what took place with Will Smith:

In other words, Hitler didn't believe he was doing evil. He believed he was doing good. And every bit of historical evidence supports this misguided notion. Hitler saw himself as the savior of Europe, against Bolshevism and Jews, the world's twin evils.

Sorry, debunked, but your characterization that we should intepret the above to say that Will Smith thought Hitler was a good man is logically flawed.

 

Nice, facile attempt, Grab. I am sorry if this strains your ability, or tests your faith to such an extent that this is what you resort to. Neither result was my desire.

I am not confused, and am ready for an honest dialogue whenever you'd care to enter into one.

 

North, that last statement was my point. People did take his words out of context and were saying that he said that Hitler was good. I am not saying he did, there was some news article "basically" stating that Will says hitler is good.

That is the point, and I think you misunderstood me.

 

Debunked, people can do what they want with anything they want. This isn't a valid comparison - you're comparing apples with oranges. Whether you're comparing the newspaper article, a secondhand source, to the Book, a putatively direct revelation from God, or comparing Smith's own words, which didn't make the statement ascribed to him, to the Surahs I raised as subjects for discussion, which did say what both Grab and myself said they did, you are mixing comparisons.

Look. The question is a very, very basic one. You cannot say that every word of something is to be taken literally, and also say every word isn't to be taken literally, and must be given contextual weight in order to properly evaluate it.

To use your Will Smith example, it is as if he did say Hitler was good, we are to take this literally, but then, we're not - we need to understand his statement in a broader contextual framework.

But he didn't say this; he said something else altogether. If people take the words that are said, and inidcate that what was said was different, literally, from what was actually said, this is different from taking words that are there, and giving them a broader understanding - using the same words - due to historical context.

Not a good comparison.

 

that's true..

 

Let me try to explain.

Sharia (constitution) is a set of rules based on Islamic law which were laid down at a time when nations did not write constitutions to govern themselves.

So basically, Sharia is a sort of a constitution, which Muslim countries were expected to follow.

Sharia is based on
1. Quran - Commandments of God
2. Hadith - Life of the Prophet
3. Islamic Scholars
4. Common sense

It covers many different areas like
1. Criminal law
2. Civil law
3. Family Law

Our Prophet knew, that, not every mundane problem is covered under Sharia law. So, he stressed his people to use Common Sense when the questions were not covered in the Sharia Law (constitution).

 

And your point is?
It's ok to hide behind civilians during military operation as long as they don't get killed or hurt in any way? They are not cowards for doing this because...?
From your posts I got impression that you consider people who do things like these as sick cowards but now I see when Jews do that it's ok with you.

If he have like 22 how's that big diference? He's still civilian used as human shield during military operation.

And that mis.truth would be...? That there is ruthless people in IDF like in every single army on planet earth huh? I would like to see any example in modern history of mankind where any army involved in conflict didn't commited war crimes or broken international laws.
Everyone doing that but according to you only Jews don't. Look at your army in Iraq and check what they did there (several war crimes that ended up on US courts). IDF is too perfect to do something like that huh?

I guess you can't do better than defending one side for using civilians for human shields and calling other side sick cowards for doing same thing...

 

Yes could you explain your thoughts of the above but in regard to terrorist groups hiding behind women & children during their "holy wars" for example hezbollah?

 

Anyone on planet earth doing that is a coward and breaking international laws and should be charged for war crimes on individual basis (every soldier doing that is personally responsible for his acts) regardless is it hezbollah fighter or my own brother and regardless did those civilians got killed or hurt in any way and regardless did they used their own civilians or enemy civilians like IDF soldiers in that video. Did I make it clear enough for you?
How about you commenting that video? Are those IDF soldiers cowards?

 

I understand what Sharia is, Gauharjk. Let me paint it as bluntly as possible. My problem is this: it has real world consequences that I find reprehensible. Hanging a child, for instance, from Sharia ruling. Is this Islam?