American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

You are misunderstanding me, I was actually giving a plus to those muslims who live in peace and ripping on those who use the faith as a weapon, those who bash your faith.

 

I don't know but I'm sure this 16 year old thing has more to do with Iran themselves than the Sharia law, you have to remember that no country at the moment holds full Sharia law, only selections of it. I think you will find most issues like this are usually because of the courts and such in the country, like for example the Saudi Arabian ordeal we had a few weeks ago. As for the consent thing, if you look at most countries in the world consent for sex is 12 or 13, just because it is legal to have sex at that age it does not mean that people do.

Thanks and I respect that but you have to understand these people aren't taking the Quran "literaly" because if they were they wouldnt be doing the things they do.

 

Double post.

 

Which is why I believe those who use it as a weapon take it out of context just as those who bash it.

 

You did rebut? I missed have missed it. From where I stand, the command to behead an unbeliever, if taken literally and not with an understanding of historical context, is a bit of a problem for this unbeliever.

 

You missed my question. Forget how much or how little sharia law is in place in any one country. If the Qu'ran is the perfect, complete, and final transmission - why any sharia law whatsoever?

 

It is talking of a story during a war of Muhammed and his followers vs the people who said he was a magician and he got attacked, Muhammed was outnumbered massivley. The "Unbelievers" is reffering to who he was fighting, it is very simple and easy to understand if you read it the book in context and not just reading random verses posted on the internet.

What are you talking about? Sharia deals with many aspects of day-to-day life, including politics, economics, banking, business, contracts, family, sexuality, hygiene, and social issues. Sharia is more of a system of devising laws, based on the Qur'an, it is just a law under the rules of Islam.

I don't understand your question.

 

Double post.

 

Or, what I said:

Now, based on your posts, 'kay, seems we're dancing around a bit.

So, which is it? Literally, "behead the unbeliever?" Or, understand the context that the sura referred to a particular time and place, and isn't to be applied today?

 

Because it has real world consequences - such as shooting a defenseless woman in a stadium full of cheering men, or hanging a young girl, or two teenage boys - this isn't a light question. If these atrocities are derived from the Qu'ran, I can't accept this as a humane ethos. If they are derived in abrogation of the already complete, perfect, final revelation - why do they exist?

 

If you read the book from front to back you can't take it out of context. If you take random verses which are already out of context you can. Every Muslim has read the Quran so I'm sure Zaqari or how many other nutjobs do what they do have read the Quran and not just took random quotes from the internet lol.

 

I have said the same thing to Christians. You can't indicate that every word in the Holy Book is incontrovertibly true, and to be taken literally; and at the same time, indicate that at least some context and interpretation is to come into play. The two logics cannot co-exist in the same universe.

 

What are you trying to do build up your post count so you can sell signature links to Hezbollah?

Any another thing, the average age of marraige in refugee camps and in taliban areas of Afganistan is 13 according to UNICEF

 

Yes, you can, and don't compare Islam to Christianity. The Quran has been preserved since it was written 1400 years ago, it has a special code intergrated into it so it can not be changed.

 

Please deal with what was actually said. Doing otherwise doesn't serve your cause, nor does it fool anyone.

Every word literally, or with at least some context. The two cannot co-exist. Whether Christian, Muslim, or any other religion - you cannot at one and the same time say every word of a given text is to be applied literally, and also say at least some words merit contextual understanding and are not to be applied today.

What is the "special code" you are talking about?

 

Hezbollah terrorists giving the nazi salute. You don't fool anyone Grabmyheat.

 

You can only take it literaly if you read it in full context which is OVBIOUS because 99% of Muslims DO read it in full context, not like people such as you who read nitpicked fabricated verses from the internet? Do you understand? If you had the slightest intrest in actually knowing the truth you would of picked the book up and read it but it seems your only intrest is slandering the Quran and our beliefs, but you have failed badly.

 

"Literally [to be applied so, today, for all time, as you have said] in full context [to be rooted in a specific time and place]." Oxymoron.

I am not interested in slandering anybody or anything. I am not interested in winning arguments on the web, nor in life, actually. I am interested in the truth. As I have said.

It is extraordinarily basic: you have indicated on the one hand, that every word is to be taken literally - even to the point of clarifying so, with Grim; yet then leap to a historically rooted time and place to explain the use of the word "unbeliever," which doesn't apply today.

It is extraordinarily basic: the Qu'ran is either the complete, perfect, and final revelation, or it requires completion by the instrument of sharia as it applies to religious rulings. You have not yet answered this apparent paradox.

If you cannot see how fundamentally flawed this is, as a way of thinking, I'm afraid there really isn't much of an opportunity to learn something from each other.

 

I think you are confused. Sharia law IS a part of Islam, it is not an extra part that is added onto it.

 

Do you understand? If you had the slightest intrest in actually knowing the truth you would of picked the book up and read it but it seems your only intrest is slandering the Quran and our beliefs, but you have failed badly.

What are yoiu trying to say?