American Student goes to Palestine to help only to find out the truth

For the record, I have received a couple of PM's from Gauharjk, asking me to respond to Gtech's post.

I replied that while it wouldn't have been my post, it seems pretty clear to me what Gtech was doing. Whether in- or out-of-context, it is obvious he was quoting from the Qu'ran, and not making bald, original statements.

As to Muhammed being a pedophile (something Gauharjk also "insisted" I respond to), I was one that made the same charge, long ago. I am no longer sure what I believe in this respect. I do want to say this was another time and place. But it would be dishonest if I didn't say it is tough for me to ascribe the practice to a particular social custom, rooted in history but now abandoned, when you have someone like Khomeini advocating sex with a child, and the Taliban forcing marriage onto young girls. Are these both apostacy?

 

To me, both are sick practices, and both are Pedophilic in nature. Custom or not, different time or place or not, the desire to have sex with a prepubescent by todays standards has be proven to be the result of mental disorders.

I find this to be more of a medical problem than a moral issue. Pedophilia is a serious mental disorder/disease. Using a custom predicated on 1 part fiction, two parts ancient history to justify it is despicable.

As for Wade's post.. It was pretty much, too the point... It was pretty clear just what the point was, and taken in the context in which is was posted, was a well thought out point. The point was so well made in fact, that even a moderator was taken back by it when it was pointed out without being placed in the proper context.

To continue discussing it, just continues to further the original point. Those that are upset by the comments should just put this to bed if they want to truly move on.

 

Gtech pointed that out in the context of a politics and religion discussion and 'people' where coming out of the dark expressing outrage.

However, I don't see any outrage over islamic terrorism from these same people. What's up with that?

Btw, anyone that has a Hezbollah flag in their avatar is a terrorist supporter in my book.

 

lol.

show me the quote from the stupid quran that saying it's good to kill jewz.

and that stupid quotes u brought here - i can bring same quotes just from muslims saying israelis should die and all this shits.

 

They use keywords like zionists to express their hate.

They are also very careful to only say 'kill the jooz' in arabic.

 

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com

like these people?

 

Just count the civillian deaths and make a ratio, Israel has killed more civillians 100 fold.

 

Well I'm hearing all these claims bro and nobody is backing them up with actual verses so ovbiously they are just lieing. Khomeini has never advocated sex with a child, that book was a propaganda peice and a lie, if you do a bit of searching other than reading on anti muslim propaganda sites you would know that. Do you honestly think he would still be in power if he advocated sex with Children, you may think Muslims are different than the west but that is just sick.

 

In Iran sex with children is legal.

The legal age for marriage is nine years old for girls

 

I can only go on the original source I saw. Like any of us - yourself included -without asking the man, we have to go with what we have. So long as "penetration didn't fully take place," it's all good with the Ayatollah.

As to the verses, I've read plenty that made me, too, wary. I don't believe most Muslims take them literally, hence, I don't have a problem along these lines. But the Wahabists who do, quote these same verses as justification for their acts.

 

What do you call legal marriage with a 9 year old as practiced in Iran?

 

Pedophilia. I wasn't aware the practice continues today.

 

Which is sadly the same with almost all religions. Extremists are found in all ends of the earth, all countries, all religions...

 

The only difference here though, is in practice/theory, this is not the extremist's believe alone.

 

It dosen't, he is talking garbage. Anyway North, show me what made you "wary". There is nothing "wary" about anything, if there is, once again i ask, please show me.

 

In your world, perhaps.. In the real world it does.. And it does not only happen in Islam.. It happen in some factions of the Mormon religion as well. The only difference however is that here in the US it is not widely accepted, and is punishable by imprisonment. In other parts of the world, unfortunately, it is not only practiced, it is accepted.

 

Agreed. My only problem here is that wahabists and other fundamentalist Muslims murder in carrying out their strict views of the Qu'ranic injunctions. They shoot women in stadiums, before crowds of cheering men, for sleeping around. They hang young teenage homosexuals. They declare that until the entire world is one ummah of Islamic faith, war and blood will be the future. And they quote the Qu'ran in carrying out these acts.

I have no issue with Muslims, indeed, members of any faith, so long as they leave others who don't subscribe to their view free to live out their lives in peace. Personally, I would reach a hand out to anyone, of any faith. But the other hand is always ready.

 

Very true, they however are years behind us most 'christian' countries. Look at what christians were like a few hundred years ago

Before anyone accuses me of 'backing them up' I most certainly am not, simply looking at facts and not finding a reason to hate like so many are on here. Not you northpoint, but I'm sure you can see some use this simply for a my religion is better than your religion approach.

 

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show me what has made you "Wary"?

 

Well, a couple, for starters. Maybe you can help clear it up:

I don't speak arabic, so have to rely on translations (the above, from Dr. Rashad Khalifa). Taken literally, I don't know how to interpret it in any other way. And the fundamentalists base their views on these passages.