Dealing with programmers who scammer from another country

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by lordofthemorning, Dec 28, 2007.

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    Is there any legal processs that can be taken to recover money paid to a programmer (works for a programming company) that never performed the work and now doesn't respond? Anyway to prevent them from scamming others? I will be reporting the company to all the freelancer type sites and posting all their info on sites like digital point.

    The country is India by the way.

    If there is no legal recourse, I don't think I will be using programmers over seas anymore as this is the second time now that I have been scammed. Both time I have paid half upfront and then the persons (both from companies) never did the work. Since both were large projects, I have lost a lot of money.
     
    lordofthemorning, Dec 28, 2007 IP
  2. AHA7

    AHA7 Peon

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    How did you pay them?
     
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  3. lordofthemorning

    lordofthemorning Well-Known Member

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    western union
     
    lordofthemorning, Dec 28, 2007 IP
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    ablaye Well-Known Member

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    #4
    You never pay them with Western Union, dude! That's your mistake.
    There is nothing you can do.
    In the future, use freelance websites that have an escrow system.
     
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  5. lordofthemorning

    lordofthemorning Well-Known Member

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    well I can blacklist their companies and help others not get scammed, but you are probably right about the money.

    Unfortunately, I will have to keep my business local so I can deal with the issues personally if they try to scam :(
     
    lordofthemorning, Dec 28, 2007 IP
  6. AHA7

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    Sometimes you get better deals from international companies but you have to do a search on the company/person and read reviews/feedback before you get involved with them. Also it's always better to use an escrow service offered by many job-listing sites such as GetACoder, GetAFreelancer...
     
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  7. lordofthemorning

    lordofthemorning Well-Known Member

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    the one company had good feedback. I will wait a day as I sent them one last email, then I will post all their info and contact stuff here so others know who to avoid.
     
    lordofthemorning, Dec 28, 2007 IP
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    empireweb Active Member

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    do share their info here for us to be aware of them..
     
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    Koperama Banned

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    #9
    Was this a company or a freelancer?
    If it's a company, ruin them by all means.
    If its a freelancer, it really won't matter much as they'll just come back with a new identity tomorrow.
     
    Koperama, Dec 29, 2007 IP
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    RectangleMan Notable Member

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    #10
    Even if they did the work...there is no guarantee they won't take your code and sell it again. I would never use a coder from India, Pakistan, Romania, Russia, Turkey, or any other place where the long arm of the law won't touch them.
     
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    Koperama Banned

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    I thought Russia law enforcement was fairly rigid?
    Well, you can discount almost all Asian countries for that matter.
     
    Koperama, Dec 29, 2007 IP
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    Muzammal786 Banned

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    #12
    At least you have to tell all DP members that who has scammed you? So that we can avoid them in future.
     
    Muzammal786, Dec 29, 2007 IP
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    #13
    Unless who scammed you lives in your same (or neighbor; in some cases) country, law won't help you much.
     
    AHA7, Dec 29, 2007 IP
  14. lordofthemorning

    lordofthemorning Well-Known Member

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    update:

    The one company says that they will finish the software, so I will give them a little time to see.

    The other company, is saying they no longer have time for the project and it will be months before it is done! This after they said it was almost done before I sent the money. They took away many features of the software and still can't get it done!! I am waiting for their reply to my last email and then will post everything about them.

    I am done with over seas programmers. At least if they are around here, I can deal with them personally.
     
    lordofthemorning, Dec 29, 2007 IP
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    #15
    It's not recommended to do this kind of business with people located overseas because the laws in the 2 countries might be different.
     
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    Not true at all. You would be shocked to see that calling the scammers local police department can get you results. You can also contact the FBI and report the person. In USA there are a number of options for legal action against scammers.
     
    RectangleMan, Dec 30, 2007 IP
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    Never hire programmers from India or any country where cyber law has not evolved to that extent. Also, make sure that they have a lot of positive testimonials and reviews
     
    TheVccMatey, Dec 31, 2007 IP
  18. lordofthemorning

    lordofthemorning Well-Known Member

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    Well,

    The one company is no longer communicating.

    So here is the details of them so no one has to go through this. For the record, the amount was $700.00

    The name address I sent western union to:

    swaraj ghosh
    qr no -1 , street-10 , sector-9
    Bhilai (chhatisgarh) ,
    pin:490006
    India


    MSN contact:


    Supposed company name is extreme coding

    The person I dealt with name is Tarun Ghosh and the email for him is

    This is his profile from getacoder where I hired him: http://www.getacoder.com/users/extremecoding/extremecoding_profile.htm

    If anyone has any idea how to handle this (I realize that the money is gone), I would appreciate advice.
    I would like to make sure that no one has to go through this.

    Is there a blacklist I can put him on? Numbers I can call in his country and report him?

    Thanks
     
    lordofthemorning, Jan 6, 2008 IP
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    #19
    accept it, there is nothing you can do with these, it's very common, it's the way scammer over the world does. i got scammed some $ for exchange, but i never fail to that again, hope you dont
     
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    Guess it depends on your local police - in the UK the police will generally do everything it can to avoid becoming involved in a "civil" issue even though there is technically a criminal as well as civil issue - some police forces have announced they will not get involved in frauds of under £1000 ($2000).

    That said, civil law suits are naturally easier within your own country but it is still dependant on the defendent firstly having given you genuine contact details and secondly that they have the money to pay you back. An associate sued a supplier for none delivery, they chose the supplier as they were also UK based, whilst they won the case the supplier didnt pay up so they had to pay more legal fees and simply ended up with a charge order against the persons property - currently the suppliers home is worth approx £150,000 but has over £200,000 of debt secured against it inc charge orders so even if they do ever decide to sell the property it isnt going to get my associate their money back.
     
    AstarothSolutions, Jan 7, 2008 IP