I will let time do the talking, When iraq is thanking America for their liberation, as they have already begun to do so. And when Iraq has a government that can hold its own, then we will see. Iraq will be rebuilt and it will be a free nation. And i hope your words will melt in your mouth, because one way or another im sure you will eat them.
For the sake of the hundreds of thousands of the innocent civilian Iraqis and US soldiers that have died since WE went to occupy their country I hope you are right and I eat my words.
So whats to come of Iraq than, continual failure? Is it a lost cause, are you saying its hopeless? Let me ask you. What happens if we pull out tomorrow? If at first you dont succeed try try again. If you keep trying at something, eventually its going to happen. If we do not give up on iraq, it will become everything we all want it to be. If im wrong about my government, than fine. But as an American, and saying this i believe i can speak for most. We want Iraq to succeed, we want our soldiers home, we want their time in this country, to be worth their effort. if they come home now, all these people have died, all these lives wasted, for nothing. Thats failure. America doesn't like that word. And im glad.
Pulling out tomrrow isn't an option. Yes the US had overimposed itself, but you also have to think about the impact it wouldhave if they just suddenly up and left. It has to be a gradual thing. Invading Iraq wasn't the best move, but now they are stuck with it. They got Saddam (for which I praise them for finally getting him after 20 years of trying), but that's about it. Did they get Osama? What about the other leaders of Al Quida? Did they stop terrorist bombings? Just ask the poor folks in London at this time last year when somebody bombed their tube stations. Bush keeps saying they're going to pull out of Iraq, then you find on the news that he's pushing for a new bill to send another 20,000+ troops there. That's what I don't like about the US - they say one thing and do another. At least with people like Osama they say one thing and they actually do it. While they commit horrible acts, at least they carry through with what they promise. This reason alone is why I could never get into politics, it's just too much subterfuge and backstabbing.
I know about Georgia, its a US sponsored puppet, but the situation isnt going the US way with all them revolutions against their president and life quality overall, the elections will be soon. Same chaos is in Ukraine after US sponsored their revolution. I listed the military bases in countries that are much larger than Georgia, Georgia is small, compared to others (except baltic once). You said it yourself, "many others of the countries you list, of course, are nowhere near this yet", so as yet, I still think they would align with Russia. Moreover, I 100% sure that Belarus will join Russia soon. You are talking about future, but hey, noone knows whats gonna be in the future. Also, I wasnt arguing about Russian military presense in them countries (strong or not, etc.), I was saying about whom them countries gonna align on a large world war scale.
let me guess simplyg123 is from texas? or from some southern state. Wake up, if you honestly believe bush invaded iraq to free those people from saddam than you truely are blind. Bush doesn't give a damn about people in his own country why in the hell do you think he could care about muslims? he hates them! We are over there for oil and potential gain for our own economy. Nothing to do with saving people or giving them freedom, thats what you call our excuse for invading them. So its obvious who really needs to wake up.
That was a understatement, granted that USA and I believe much of the world wanted Iraq to be a peaceful and prosperous democracy, but the geopolitical situation there is very delicate. Saddam is a cruel dictator but he managed to achieve some sort of peace (through violent means). USA invasion unleashed all the hatred that was accumulating for centuries. But I would agree with you that pull out will have a nightmare of an impact, Iraq would be a no mans land with all sorts of terror groups and training camps. Just after the invasion Bush predicted a fast withdrawal, if my memory serves me right, the administration now says it will take up to 10 years! I would question the resolve of the USA to stay in Iraq for that long. A new President may do something totally different altogether. USA at the moment is the sole super power, because of this very reason, its actions affect the world in no small ways, Iraq invasion is a good example, with power comes great responsibility, I don't think Bush had done well using flawed data to invade Iraq, USA can be the greatest threat to world peace or it can be the greatest savior to world peace depending on who is at the helm. I am doing Count Down towards Bush last day as President with my fingers crossed, I hope he don't do any more stupid things like bombing Iran and the likes......
something tells me this idiotic president is gonna push the red button and take the world with him because whats he gonna do when his power trip ends? hes already been called the worst president in history. hes already got us into a war nobody wants hes a failure why not take the world with him. Seems very likely the way mr. bush thinks.
thats just so trueee, well said. Who would ever believe that a president of democratic country would send troops to just give liberty and freedom to some people, that are miiles away and differ from Americans so much in any way? I always laugh when someone says "for the sake of democracy I will fight somewhere in Africa or whatever". The thing is, this list of "give liberty" countries is getting bigger, thats the only thing. US is still on USSSR's way, and it doesnt matter what the goal is, both tried to rule the world in their own interests. Fair enough, be friends with your neighbours and do business with them and for them, but to get into other continent and try to rule over there? No one would like that, simply because it means youve got an eye on this land. its a dangerous threat to the world, because this way now we can declare a war for any reason, even if we think that people of the country live too bad? What kind of reason is that?
That is a great post. Bush, Cheney and the rest of the corrupt neocon cabal really do not give a flying fuck about Iraq or it's people, the only thing that matters to them is a permanent presence in the 4th most oil rich country in the world.
Agreed to both posts. Daddy bush and the rest stood by idly while saddam gassed thousands of kurds and our government stood by and did nothing and actually were trading with the guy. Its incredible with the amazing lack of ignorance among those posters that they are able to argue foreign policy with anyone.
We have a lot of ignorant posters here on DP P&R forum buddy, just look at how many DigitalPoint Crazy Gang members we have now, it has to be at least 30, with new recruits coming in on a regular basis. Having said that only 7 of them have voted in this poll.
Well since we are in iraq for oil, tell me why im struggling to put a full tank of gas in my truck. Almost $3.50 cent a gallon, and higher in other places. You people and your conspiracy theories are ridiculous. No our mission wasn't to ffree the iraqi people, it was to find WMD, and we failed, But we are trying to build back what we blew apart. I admit, we are in a mess, but to up and leave is stupid. And Wrong. Its kind of funny everyone was ready for revenge and war after 911, then when it happens the cowards come out, tuck their tales and run.