Media Blackout? What else is new? The Revolution will not be televised.

Which is bad at the same time, alot of shit gets posted that people take for being the truth.

Look for example at all the blog posts made about RP that are totally false, yet laid out there as facts.

 

Sites that post BS will be known and avoided. We're still in the infantile stage where many people believe that anything on a website is probably correct.

If anything, it might help with the lack of people in our society who read, forcing people to discipline themselves to vet and research information for themselves.

 

I believe internet as we know it is in it's last days, cracking up on free speech is a high priority item for the government mafia. It costs them dearly

 

That's true buddy but at the same time it is taking away the initiative from utter controlled MSM crap that idiots like GTech and Mia believe in 100% like FOCKS News and others.

In the end the only way that they will be able to supress the truth coming out is by canning the internet as we know it out. And it will happen eventually because the sheeple need to be controlled mate.

 

Thanks OP for getting the thread back!!!

Great thread!

 

Smyrl (moderator) deserves thanks for working with me. I imagine it was precipitated by the censorship gang in P&R who like to narc out posts or red rep in the absence of having a strong argument.

I could spend days recounting all of the ways the media works to undermine or diminish the campaign, particularly their use of polls, many of which show that 50% of the respondents either aren't confirmed in their decisions, or even very likely to caucus/vote.

We'll see when we go to the polls. I'm sure some people will shaft Ron Paul for showing say, 3rd in Iowa, but given that to do so, he would have to finish ahead of 3 of these men,

Huckabee
Romney
Giuliani
McCain
Thompson

what does that say about the Ron Paul revolution, and the fact that it is not a fringe phenomenon?

My only regret to this point is that we are not a full quarter ahead of where we are today. Given another 3 months, I do not see how we could not possibly sweep the GOP nomination. At this point, we're looking at worst at a brokered convention, with the Paul platform either being a catapult to a 3rd party bid, heavily influencing who the GOP nominee, or VP will be, or building a coalition for the Presidency.

I wasn't so sure months ago, but the grassroots has doubled in size in a month, and I expect it to double again before Super Tuesday.

What is apparent, is that the people who previously did not vote in America have now found a cause and agenda to vote. It's going to change politics for the next decade.

 

Huckabee is good, and Mccain is also strong. Let us see how Ron Paul fares against the biggies. They'll be getting large payouts from lobbying groups and giant corporations.

Anyone who steals the limelight in the media, wins.

 

Note to self: avoid giving my business to giant corporations when possible.

 

That he does not rank on that list?

 

Jeremy, sweetie, do try to keep up. That is the list he will rank on after Iowa, the only questions are where and above whom?

 

Looks like I have been keeping up than most... So again, he does not even rank on that list?

In the national polls he is barely cracking 4%... Any less than that and it is not even worth listing him amongst the list of candidates..

I'll give him this much though.. He does have that kinda Ross Perot appeal.. Hell, I think Ross even got higher than 4% though.

 

who is ron paul?

 

Mia you can not seriously take 'likely republican voters' as being an overall national level, especially when talking about Perot and the numbers he drew. If you want to bash RP fine, but at least do it with something that makes sense.

4% 'which it is higher than that ' of 'likely republican voters' is not even close, no logical way of looking at it as stating it's his actual 'national' support.

 

Jeremy doesn't even look at polls, the numbers he throws out are fabricated.

Paul has been polling nationally at 5~6%. He just broke 10% in Iowa in the latest ARG poll (the toughest) and 11% in South Carolina with CNN.

But it's irrelevant anyways, polls rarely pick the winners of the primaries. Kerry and Clinton were polling lower than Paul and won their party's nominations. The only polls that count are the primaries. What the phone polls indicate is that Paul is gaining ground in name and platform recognition, nothing more, nothing less.

 

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

 

I'm not attempting to bash RP.. I'm just putting things into perspective.. Every national poll I have seen puts him at 4% or less.. Until I see different, it sure looks like actual "national" support is at 4% or less.. Perhaps more in individual states, but at the national level, 4% or less..

Well, in all fairness I did find some that have him at 5%, 6%, and one at 7%...

So I dug a bit further to prove my point. I looked at the following National Polls, 20 of them in fact, not just one.

ABC 3%
Wash Post 3%
American Research Group 4%
CBS 4%
CNN 6%
Cooks 6%
Newsweek 3%
NBC 4%
Gallup 5%
Democracy Corps 1%
Diageo 7%
Zogby 4%
USA Today 3%
Time Magazine 0%
Quinnipiac 2%
Pew Research 4%
Fox News 3%
IPSOS 0%
Marist 2%
McLaughlin and Associates 0%

I then totaled the percentages and then divided by the number of polls..

Based on that, Paul is at 3.2% on average across all 20 polls in the NATIONAL AVERAGE...

Lower than the 4% I keep seeing...

Now If I compare those same 20 polls to last month numbers, it looks like RP was at 3% and had climbed a whopping .2% in the last month... Amazing...

If I have more time to waste, I'll post the numbers from these same polls showing percentage gain or loss over a longer period.. Either way, I am not sure I have ever seen it above 4%.

I'm not bashing Paul, I am merely pointing out the obvious.. The hype is 2 parts bull shit, 1 part wishful thinking, and 10 parts, I hate Bush...

Source is (www.usaelectionpolls.com)

 

IPSOS = 0%? - 12/4/2007 = 3%.

The newest Quinnipiac poll is from October.

Cook is from mid-November.

Democracy Corps is from March 23rd.

I could go on and on.

How is using a variety of polls over the last 8 months going to produce any kind of useful evaluation of CURRENT poll position?

Sum up the December polls, and then we can talk.

 

No, unlike you I base my opinions on fact.

No, he has been polling nationally around 3% on average.... Source: www.usaelectionpolls.com

Using the same polls listed at USA Election Polls, from ABC, NBC, CNN, Gallup, Zogby, etc., the average in Iowa is 4.4%. If I look at the American Research Group poll from a few days ago they are the only one showing 10%. Other polls range from 0% to 6%.

The best thing to do Guerilla if you want to be fair is to take a look at the bigger picture, not just the polls that you want to agree with.

Ah, actually Kerry if you look at the following:

ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, IPSOS (AP) Marist, NBC, Newsweek, Quinnipiac, Time Magazine, and Zogby polls as listed back in 2003, Kerry actually polled at 32.27% on average which was above any other candidate (Dean was the next closest) and he went on to take the nomination..

I'm too busy to look at Clinton's numbers, but my guess is you made that one up too...

Facts don't lie.

Yes, I will agree.. RP is gaining ground. .2% most recently.. that is "point 2 percent" btw...

 

Those are the December poll numbers... I think you are confusing a sampling of previous months for this month...

 

Does this include straw polls where people have to actually show up in person to support their candidate of choice?