I have gone right off Ron Paul

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    He said he doesn't believe it "yet", that doesn't mean he won't believe it if scientists come up with a good, convincing proof. There are too many holes in that theory right now.
     
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    It not a proven fact as*hole! Stop trying to disprove and discurage other peoples religious believes! It might be true, and it might not, but americans need to stop getting in all these damn fights about religon. I dnt care what you believe but dont be going around like "oh, my religon is a proven fact, and everyone knows it". keep that kind of stuff to yourself. its offensive.
     
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    "I think it's a theory. The theory of evolution. I don't accept it, you know, as a theory... It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin. I think the Creator that I know who created us, every one of us, and created the universe, and the precise time and manner... I just don't think we're at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side..."

    It kind of sounds like he just doesn't care really. Making he was hoping for a question more relevant to being president.
     
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    No, Not everything, Just some things. It also depends on the book and what is written in the book.
    Science has come up with the proof. strangely it's never enough for some people.
    It is a proven fact. You are just either unable or unwilling to understand the evidence.
     
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    It sounds like he believes in the theory of G-d, but not sure about the theory of evolution.:)
     
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    It all depends on which theory of evolution your talking about. Dawinian theory of evolution has in fact been proven false. More and more scientists and more people are starting to come on the side of intelligent design. To believe that life which is so structured and organized can come out of chaos is crazy and unproven. I think if you ask Ron Paul if he believes in evolution from intelligent design he probably would say yes.
     
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    yeah it makes far more sense to believe the invisible man in the sky made us rather than the "crazy and unproven" idea that we evolved via natural selection. :rolleyes:

    "intelligent design" is biblical creation rebranded in a dishonest attempt to get christianity taught in science class.

    And what exacly has proven evolution to be false?
     
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    Stox , actually it is crazy and unproven. This is why even one of the top microbiologist(and former noble winner in micro-biology) came over from the darwinian evolution side. While he can say that animals did evolve over time he could never prove to even himself how life was created out of chaos.

    I will officially welcome you over to the intelligent design side after you view this video. If you decline on watching it, then that would probably mean you might be a little frightened that you actually might start to believe in intelligent design:). Stox i never said evolution was false, but darwinian evolution has been proven to be an outdated and archaic belief with no proof whatsoever that proves how life can be created from random events.

    http://powerflv.com/play2?cat=Docum...gent+Design+-+Unlocking+The+Mysteries+Of+Life

    This video shows how many of the worlds top scientists are starting to realize the scientific validity to the intelligent design theory:).
    :D group hug to the future intelligent design theorist STOX!!!

    Whats more important is that Ron Paul is for freedom of choice, and the constitution as our great founding fathers intelligently designed(get it) it to be
     
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    Darwinian evolution IS evolution. Darwin said speciation occurs because of genetic mutations and natural selection. We know more about it's mechanics now, But the fundamentals are the same.

    I have told you before. I am not prepared to spend an hour of my time watching a video that makes your case for you. if you can't make the case yourself you not only don't understand evolution, You don't even understand your own case against it. If you are capable of presenting your case yourself i will listen, but i'm not prepared to spend my time doing it for you.

    I will ask you again, What exactly was it that proved evolution false?
     
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    I'm a damn complex organism. I can think, drive a car, create websites, earn money... I am BEYOND NATURAL SELECTION, coz I do a lot of things "Nature" didn't program animals to do...

    And, I don't believe Monkeys can become Humans... :D

    Then why didn't Chimps evolve to compete with us?

    Why aren't there any "Little Green Men" on MArs? Nature is supposed to be everywhere, I thought...
     
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    yeah, You are. So is a chimpanzee. Comparatively the only real difference between you and a chimp is your capacity to learn and think logically, spacialy and imaginatively.

    Is this a serious question? Do you think humans evolved from a chimpanzees?
     
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    One can spend a lifetime in search of God and one might either find Him or not find Him. It is a personal quest and should be nobodies business if it does not affect their views or life in a negative way. I'm not religious and I see and agree with his point of view on that issue and I respect it.
     
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    This issue is largely irrelevant when considering the duties of the office of the President. There are far more important issues at stake in this election.
     
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    My biggest, but not the only, problem with evolution theory is complete lack of intermediate species, which Darwin assumed would be found later, but 150 years later we still haven't seen any. Darwin theory presumes very slow changes over millions of years, so you'd expect to find A LOT of fossilized intermediate species, not just a few, but there aren't any.

    In any case, I agree with Bernard, I don't see how it would affect president's ability to do his job. At least it confirms that Ron Paul doesn't necessarily believe in every dogma that corporations try to push down our throats, good for him. Nothing wrong with critical thinking and putting authorities in doubt
     
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    I have allready stated that these scientists believe that animals evolve but darwin also believes that life came randomly which most scientist doubt seriously. This is my case and its started to also prevail in the scientific community. This video just explains this further. There is no religion in this video. I dont understand how one can debate something if they arent willing to read and educate themselves on both sides of the debate. Now im not gonna spoonfeed you every detail of the video.
    ;)

    Note , these are the top microbiologists in the world, so if u consider reason to be important please take an hour to watch it.
     
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    I don't care since my religion is compatible with Evolution and Creationism together.
     
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    So is Mine:) and im christian. Shocking isnt it. Evolution and darwinian evolution have become 2 separate things. This is the point i was trying to make.
     
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    No, yours does not lol.
     
    grab my heat, Dec 22, 2007 IP