7 Reasons Why America is hated in the Middle-east...

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gauharjk, Dec 19, 2007.

  1. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #61
    WOW. Sorry to say it but its sadly true, you really have a very narrow and naive view of looking at things Mia.
     
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  2. Grafstein

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    #62
    No i believe The Sun is the top selling paper,The Mirror readers famously believe everything they read in that paper.
    In other words its for working class people from Blackpool who vote labour and are 99.9% of the time ignorant.
     
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  3. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #63
    Narrow and naive to laugh at someone that tries to claim that "In God We Trust" is offensive?

    Thanks for the laugh...
     
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  4. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #64
    It is a naive statement if you don't believe in God. Why should the non-believers believe cause you say so?
     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #65
    No one is asking anyone to believe in anything the do not want to.. The fact remains the phrase is representative of the beliefs of the nation as a whole for what it is, was and forever shall be...

    To find it offensive is stupid... Saying it is offensive; now that is offensive..

    It is "In God We Trust"

    Not "all non-believers must believe in God.. and I hope this offends the crap out of your dumb ignorant ass"

    See the difference?
     
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  6. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #66
    There you go again, you and your crystal ball and the future. Only time will tell if the majority if people will belive in God or not. Just for the record the majority of people in this world are also ignorant. ;)
     
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    #67
    If the words printed on the money are in relation to how much the money is actually worth, than I am not very worried about the US becoming a theocracy any time soon.
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    #68
    I tackle point #4 --- You have to look at the situation in the context of the times.

    At the time of the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 the US was fighting the cold war against the Soviets.

    A number of countries had fallen to communism including South Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Angola, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Ethiopia and Grenada.

    Eastern Europe was behind the Iron Curtain and many countries in the middle east and Africa were in the Soviet sphere of influence.

    Western Europe was infiltrated by the Red Brigade and Communists.

    The war in Afganistan contributed to the fall of the soviet union and defeat of communism in Europe.

    Compared to the Soviets Bin Laden is a flea.
     
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  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #69
    "In God we Trust" does not = "must believe in God"...


    To find that statement offensive, is in and of itself offensive.
     
    Mia, Dec 21, 2007 IP
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    #70
    Everyone keeps pointing out the bad, what about the good?
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #71
    There's too much of it ;)
     
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    #72
    and that's the real reason why they hate America;)
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #73
    I don't buy that one, but I will say no matter how much is bad in this country, there is alot that is great.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #74
    And it is that they hate the most!
     
    Mia, Dec 21, 2007 IP
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #75
    I don't agree with that, we have been brain washed to think that by such phrases as 'they hate us for our freedom'

    I doubt they could care less how great we were, if we didn't force it down their throats, meddle in their governments, etc.
     
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    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    #76
    No, it means "in God we trust"; And not all Americans believe in a God.. Some believe that the blood shed in the name of a God is disgusting... So to those, saying "in God we trust" is offensive...

    Buddhism is the same thing as Atheism? Where did you take your religion courses?

    You mean the stores saying "happy holidays" instead of merry Christmas? You know Christmas was a tool used by the Christians to convert pagans that already had winter celebrations...

    false patriotism, such as forcing kids to say the pledge, does not help the country; it just attempts to brainwash them... it also creates rules that kids don't want to follow... mom always said don't eat ice cream before dinner, and that made you want to do it a whole lot more...

    I'm not the one that said Buddhism and Atheism are the same thing...



    I took American Government also... Just because we elect people to represent us, doesn't mean we are the government.


    What do you want a source for? A poll showing more then 50% of Americans want us out of Iraq? I can barely throw a rock without hitting 8 of those... haha...
     
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  17. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #77
    Actually GRIM many do hate us because of our Freedom and here is why I arrive at this conclusion..

    The average American to many Europeans appears to be a pompous, arrogant, spoiled rotten brat... Living high on the hog, taking all they can, using more than they need, because they can...

    What many do not like about our freedom is not the fact that we are free, it is that many us abuse our freedoms and are completely and totally ungrateful of it.

    Most Americans have always been free, it is the fact that many take that for granted that many dislike us.

    No one has been brainwashed here.. This freedom isn't free is not a Bushism... It's been around long before Bush or the war, and it will be here long after that...

    The same ones that hate us because of Bush, hated us before mainly because of the reasons I just described.. The only difference now is they have a new excuse for their dislike... What pray tell will they do 1 year from now when he is gone?
     
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    #78
    Mia, occupation is the driving force. Talk to people outside the country, ex-pat Americans, Europeans, Asians etc. They like our way of life, they think it's great. What they don't like is the perception that we meddle in other people's lives. That somehow our high standard of living is justification to preach down to them, or that we are better.

    And it's not the average American who is guilty of this. It's the ideologues and politicians, the ones who follow Woodrow Wilson's philosophy of "making the world safe for democracy". We're not a f**king democracy, and many people in other countries aren't too happy about their democracies.
     
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    #79
    Hating us for how we act even if it is the case is not hating us for our 'freedom', I honestly don't see the two combined. I do get the point you're trying to make, I however do not buy it.

    It however is far different having a view compared to actually hating us enough to attack us. I honestly don't think you can logically combine the two as one.

    As far as the 'they hate us for our freedom' being used before Bush. That might be correct as well, who however used it in speech after speech, almost drone like during a time of fear in the US, when the public was willing to absorb ANYTHING the commander and chief told them like a sponge?
     
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    #80
    I agree with this. In particular, Wilson's was a dangerously messianic notion that has no business in realpolitik.
     
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