"Is this what democracy looks like?"

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    soniqhost.com Notable Member

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    No that's what not following the rules looks like.
     
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    No, that is what a democracy looks like.

    This country was founded as a Constitutional Republic.
     
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    guru-seo Peon

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    Rules? What rules are you talking about? Who sets the rules? Did you read the article?
     
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    I have something to say on this, but I took a few benzos and I'd probably wake up in prison with stun gun burns if I get started.
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    It's a representative republic.

    Using NO as an example of democracy is like using lead as a floatation device.

    These people should stop crying and move inland.. Instead of sending more money down there, we should be sending maps.
     
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    We've had this semantic argument before. Our Republic is defined by our Constitution, and the absolute rights therein. Hence it is a Constitutional Republic.

    No, this is what happens in democracies. That's why you see marches and protests in European countries, and the riot police out, tear gassing and clubbing.

    Democracies don't protect personal property or civil rights. That's what a Constitutional Republic is for.

    We're going to see more and more of this over the years. There is a growing portion of the population that is becoming disenfranchised, and the police response will be just as we see on TV in other countries. Sadly.

    With regards to the money, perhaps if the Federal government didn't confiscate so much of the local wealth, then we wouldn't have an issue with their ineptness. The people locally might have the ability to help themselves.

    Everything goes into the government (local, state and federal) wallets, then the people have to fight, lobby and harangue to get their wealth back before it is distributed to lobbyists or lost in the bureaucratic shuffle. That's a democracy. It's a ridiculous system.
     
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    Wow. The representative republic vs constitutional republic has got to be the silliest thing I have read in a few hours at least :D What exactly do you think a representative republic is because it seems a redundant phrase to me. a republic is representative by nature isn't it? WE ARE A CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC! I am not sure how you can argue we are not one, and since you didn't argue but instead just said basically nu-unh I am pretty convinced you have no clue what you are talking about.

    from a wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic.

    If you can prove me wrong about what type of government I think I have please do. I would hate to think I have been living in some other type of country all this time.

    If you really think this then you must also think that all the coastal states need to move inland. I hope the displaced move into your backyard. What about people who have settled near fault lines? Pack em up and move em? Or flood zones that are mainland? There are plenty of places that are flood prone that are no where near the ocean.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    And I clearly proved you wrong.. :cool:
     
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    If wrong is = right, and phony is not equal to fake, then yeah, you sure showed me. :rolleyes:
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    We are in fact a constitutional republic.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

    According to the CIA

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html

    One could argue representative republic as we elect people to represent us, however the framing is in fact a constitutional republic.
     
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    Thanks GRIM. I think Mia was just being Mia.

    Like when he called the soldiers donating to Ron Paul "phony" which he claims does not mean "fake". :rolleyes:

    If he says "Up", he might mean "Up", or "down". It all depends upon whether someone calls him on it. ;)
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    I don't think it's as simple as that.

    Afterall we do elect representatives for our republic.

    The actual proper term however is a constitutional republic. Even within that though there are different terms to narrow down what we trully are.

    I actually don't think either of you are wrong, you are just looking at it from different angles.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    We've been over this...

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5574677&postcount=19


    Since you seem to have forgotten: http://www.laughtergenealogy.com/bin/histprof/const/constitution.html

    We do have a constitution, no where in it does it call the United States a Constitutional Republic. It refers to our form of government as being Representative.

    I realize it is just semantics, but to be completely proper, the US is a Representative Republic, that has a constitution.. "Constitutional Republic" has become a cool PC catch phrase for defining our form of government as any government with constitutional protection run by representatives.

    To me, it is the difference between bimmer and beamer. Many often mistakingly call BMW cars, "beamers", without even realizing they are "bimmers".. Beamer is the BMW motorbike.
     
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    Mia, I am willing to call this a draw, so that it doesn't affect our romantic relationship.
     
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    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Agreed... ;)
     
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    I want an example of a republic that is not representative. Then I will eat my tie. Oh and "representative republic" is not in the constitution. "representative" yes but "republic" no, and the two together never.
     
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    That's kind of the point, pretty much every government considers itself a republic in some form now adays unless it's ruled totally by a dictator.

    Even in the worst they 'claim' representatives. I could be wrong, but how about The Peoples Republic of China.

    A representative republic in many cases is simply a republic. The true definition of the US however is a constitutional 'federal' republic.
     
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    I would agree grim. Emerates, monarchy's all that sort of thing is not a republic but anything with any sort of representation is a republic. If Rome was a republic and only roman land owners could vote, then the bar for what is considered a representative is pretty low. As a constitutional republic we raise the bar a bit by saying those representatives must adhere to a constitution and that there are checks and balances in place. I see it as a pretty fundamental difference really. Of course maybe I am just pissed that my middle school teachers tried to tell me the US is a democracy, instead of actually explaining what a republic really is. I guess they were afraid we would all turn into socialists if they where straight up with us.
     
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    Or maybe they wanted y'all to become socialists...
     
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