Google penalties

That's exactly what is wrong with you. Google is no longer "don't like it, don't use it" website. It's the whole Internet nowadays. They should set reasonable
rules and not some that restrict your business activities. Now, you don't know whether you're allowed to link to your friends, because it may smell fishy. Why should you put a condom on every link because Google wants it? Yahoo doesn't mind that and they have resolve this issue without telling you what you should or shouldn't do, or what is legal and what is illegal. Nonsense!

 

Totally, this is the most respectable discussion I've had in awhile, I apperciate it greatly.

You forget, the Yahoo! $299.00 fee is for quick review of your site, not to get it added for sure, many sites pay the $299 fee and get rejected. See below url. You'll see what I mean

https://ecom.yahoo.com/dir/reference/submit#2.5

 

No, it's how the algorithm theory works, if your backlinks lose value and weight then your site loses value and weight and you should expect a drop in search results and indexed pages that lost value. Apples and oranges my friend, apples and oranges.

 

Google is not the whole internet, a lot of people don't even use Google to search the web, that is just silly to say and you are falling for Google propoganda to make people think that

Yahoo has their own stance on paid links to, you should research into that

 

Yep, your right about that. I totally forgot that the fee was to review the site, and not a fee for it to be included in the directory.

However, what do you think Google would do, if webmasters starting offering this same thing.... You want a link on my site ?? Fine - pay me $100 - let me review the link, and if I like it ( which I will ), I will place your link on my site.

Google wouldn't be a position to moan about paid links, as the link wasn't actually paid for. The payment was actually made in order for the link to be reviewed.

Alex

 

You actually can stop them from crawling your site.

 

Yahoo has the same stand as any other search engine. They don't approve of that, but they don't punish anyone. The links are simply discorded if your site's theme is irrelevant to the site you link to. Google has an over 70% share of the search engine market worldwide. When was the last time you used MSN? The fact is that if you disappear from Google you disappear from the Internet. Look at your stats, they may be rather revealing

 

Actually, other web directories do this, and it's stated clearly of the intentions of the fee. The real question is how could Google find out which are true to their statement and which are not. Perhapes buy a review that 100% should not be approved and see what happens?

I think we under estimate Googles ability to find text link sellers and buyers.

 

"ssandecki" a 10 year old site does not just get de-indexed one day because some links lost value, we are talking about de-indexed.

there is no apples or oranges here.

anyways, my point is no one should be able to get you penalized period. If I buy some BLs for you site from some casino, link farms, some hate sites, and some p-o-r-n sites....you will get penalized. "Bad neighborhoods"

and dont say nobody would do that, maybe not in your business, but when it comes 100s of thousands of $$, people do anything. why spend 50 thousand for promoting your site, just spend 5,000 to get all the bad links you can find for you competetion. Their serps will drop or have some penalty.

 

Actually, its 58.5%[1] of the US market that Google has a lock on, lets not give them more credit than they deserve. You say that Yahoo doesn't punish anyone, but how do you know, I didn't realize you were a developer for Yahoo and know excatly how they work their algorithm and pass out penalties to sites who break their rules! Disappear from the internet...? lol

Look at my stats? Which stats would those be?



[1] - http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2121132720071122

 

Those links do NOT get you penalties from Google if they are one-way links, it when they are outbound or recipocial. Get the facts straight.

Now your attacking me directly, how do you even know what I do or what I make? Your again assuming with no cite or source to back it up.

 

Well as I see it now leave the web liek the wild west with as little moderation. Only moderate violations of actual laws and not web standards.

 

The US is a specific market with other search engines that existed there before Google. UK, Germany, France, ... in every part of Europe Google has market share in the neighborhood of 80%. Check the stats of your websites and tell me that it would survive without Google

 

I would have though that one way links such as these would be flagged more likely as being paid for links, rather than recipocial links.

Alex

 

Most of my sites get 20-30% traffic from Google, a smart webmaster would make sure traffic percentage never passed that, and if it did find other sources of traffic incase your organic traffic from Google disappears.

 

I know of many sites that survive without Google. If you want organic traffic you need search engines. If you want inorganic than you dont need them. I can give you a bunch of sites that do not need google to help them cause their traffic comes from people who heard about them from other places than the internet.

 

PR is a waste of time it's almost a no win situation these days, you submit to places that rank high but have nofollow tags, you can't buy backlinks. etc etc.....The big G is like the communists of search engines. Better to not put all your eggs in one basket and to use a lot of different avenues and there are a lot.Can you say *viral*

Echoing a bit of Worldmans last statement.

 

Depends, what are you referring to excatly?

 

I was refering to the ones mentioned by Charlee22 in his post ....

anyways, my point is no one should be able to get you penalized period. If I buy some BLs for you site from some casino, link farms, some hate sites, and some p-o-r-n sites....you will get penalized. "Bad neighborhoods"

 

If someone (was stupid enough) to buy those backlinks they would have 0.0% effect on your site. This is because first it is a one-way link and you are in no way linking back to it, second you only get penalized for linking back or linking to those type of sites (Remember, some porn and casino sites aren't penalized or considered bad by Google).