Google penalties

Discussion in 'Google' started by freaky andy, Dec 17, 2007.

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  1. #1
    Tell me where I went wrong about what Google is doing to the sites selling links.
     
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    I don't get your post. Are you talking about Google or your article?
     
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    I agree with you 100%
    BUT all we can do is hope that Google realizes some of these points and figures out a solution.
     
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    Text links are used to manipluate search results & pagerank and should be penalized, period end of discussion. Just because a system is broken or cheatable doesn't make it right to do it.
     
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    worldman Notable Member

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    Well what will google do to get around that? I don't see that as a problem with those who use the system. Maybe google should have thought about it before running their bot like that. They should start thinking about using some type of bot to track website traffic.
     
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    Or maybe people shouldn't cheat every time they get the oppertunity ;)
     
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    I think something similar should be done. One idea I had was to monitor the time spent by visitors on a page. If a visitors disappears within a couple of seconds, compared to them staying for for a minute or so, then I guess you would be able to work out which site is providing the best content and information.

    I am sure that through Analytics, they are very easily able to monitor traffic to specific pages in a site. If there was a way in which they could work out which sites have real and valuable content, compared to those that have no original content, and rank them accordingly, the search results might be much more useful to visitors, rather than wading through pages of MFA and other crap pages that litter the net.

    OK, thats my little rant over for the day.

    Alex
     
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    That would work if all sites used Google Analytics, not even 15% of all websites use analytics, so technically it's impractical. Maybe in the future when they can get 60-70% of the market they could.
     
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    I realise that the number of sites using Analytics is very small, and this would in no way provide a fair system with which to work out the value of pages. An alternative way is the Digg-type thing I read a few days ago that Google are testing - however, that will definately be open to wide spread abuse.

    I really think that web sites and pages should be valued on what they have on them, rather than the number of high ranking PR links they have to a page. Original and unique content should always ( in my opinion ) be more useful to users, rather than MFA sites, that have nothing but a line of text stuffed with keywords, and blocks of Adsense ads.

    I have no problem with sites that use Adsense ( I have used it myself for several years ), but its the sites that have nothing on them but copied/unoriginal/highly used articles, etc that I think cause a big problem with the amount of junk that fills the net.

    Alex
     
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    Well I don't cheat by buying backlinks and I try to have relevant back links but what do you say to a guy who is doing it the honest way and yet his site still has no PR and as soon as he buys a couple backlinks his site gets a good PR. It forces those who are honest to try dishonest means.

    Alex...that is a very good suggestion.
     
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    Glad to hear you don't cheat, you don't need to. Buying text links is a WASTE of revenue\investment and could be spent much wiser.
     
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    alex_d1 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't say buying links is a complete waste of time. If you can find some links on a similiar niche to that of your own site, then they can be useful in providing you with some decent traffic. However buying links just for PR juice is slowly becoming pointless. The SERPs are what is most important, not how many green blobs you have in your toolbar.

    Alex
     
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    I totally agree. I don't mind buying a backlink to a higher PR vegan site. But it would be dumb to buy a backlink to a site that is talking about fashion. they have nothing in common. Its just that I don't think its necessary
     
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    Manipulating search results you write... so what are those links doing in your signature then?
     
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    Very true, but still if you purchase the link your breaking the rules set forth by Google for their search engine, if you don't care if you rank in Google then it's fine :)
     
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    So wait a minute. Google says you cannot buy backlinks? How can they tell you have?
     
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    Buying backlinks is the same thing as buying text links, just another way of saying it. :)
     
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    Why buying a link is such a dishonest thing to do? How about buying a TV spot? If you can't promote your product in an honest way, then you go and buy an advertising spot, right? :) What a bucket of crap!
     
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    You must not have a concept on how the Google search algorithm works to have compared it to a TV commerical slot. Text links manipulate search results, producing unnatural rankings due to the nature of the algorithm Google uses. You seem to be just another webmaster who lost their major revenue source that involved cheating the Google search engine.
     
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