I forgive the US if they elect Dr. Ron Paul

No Huff-Po, you will have to work harder to slander them than simply declaring them liberal media. Sorry for the extra hassle this will cause you.

Of course I am correct. It's a bad habit of mine.

You might not agree with Paul, but he doesn't flip flop on the issues. Your guy? He'll say whatever it takes. One day he supports Bush, the next day he is using him to gain votes.

Well at least you are being honest now. You see this as a theological war. Christians vs. the Muslims. I'm ok with that, in that those are your views and you are entitled to them. But I certainly don't endorse religious genocide.

You don't get enough credit for being a decent human being. I wish we could see more of that side from you, more often.

Can I start the thread now? And will you donate tomorrow and help Ron Paul make history?

I don't need a definition, I need YOUR definition. There are more than a handful of Americans on here who do not agree with your POV on what it is to be American. Clarify it for us, without the negatives. What does an American stand for? What is it to be a good American? C'mon Wade, this is a great opportunity for you to set the record straight.

Reagan criticized a good 90% of what I criticize, and you've called him a great American. You're being a pretty big hypocrite. And don't start with the Reagan had hope nonsense, because I already owned you in that thread. Reagan was about change. He was about identifying problems, and working as a nation to overcome then. He wasn't a PollyAnna who told everyone everything was fine.

You won't get banned if you conduct your posts with honor. Of course, Ad Hominem Attacks and Strawman arguments don't help you make a strong case.

I simply do not agree with you on anti-americanism, and I'm not going to fall for the canard that I have to read every single post and respond to them.

When you are willing to define Americanism, I will be happy to address your complaints that I display anti-Americanism. But it's a known fact that proving a negative is a logical fallacy, so you'll have to set positive guidelines for what it is to be American, and we can continue from there.

 

Guerilla, I've wasted enough time with you for today. My offer is on the table. STOP tearing our country down and I'll stop pointing it out. As you are getting sick of it being pointed out, I too am getting sick and tired of firing up the forum every day, only to see you and a few other ron paul nuts here tearing our country down every day.

I'll let you make the choice. I hope it will be a good one. You have the luxury now of being a ron paul supporter. Here, that gives you a pass for what you do. Grim isn't man enough to stand up to you, and others who are not as "radical" as you are not going to stand up to you either. You are fortunate to hold that unique position. However, when RP doesn't get elected, there's always that chance that some here stop taking the female hormones and actually start regrowing testicles again.

It's a honest, genuine offer. Just stop tearing our country down every day. You would disrespect ron paul talking about him, the way you talk about America. Treat our country with a little respect for a change.

 

Scheuer was 22 years in the CIA and the Chief of the Bin Laden Unit. You don't think that is credible?

Robert Pape teaches the Air Force, and is a distinguished author and professor on Foreign Policy. Is his credibility in question?

You've posted Islamic terrorism articles. You're not including terrorism that is not islamic, and what the common causes are between the two of them.

I recommend Robert Pape's "Dying to Win". It's the most comprehensive study on suicide terrorism available.

Also, Paul Wolfowitz has backed up Scheuer's position that Bin Laden was most motivated to attack America because of the base in Saudi Arabia, on Holy Land.

 

GTech, I'm not tired. I'm ready to go on all night if necessary. I think we're making real progress. Please don't retreat or admit defeat! Fight on!

It's not about Ron Paul. You just don't get it. The 2006 election of democrats to the house and senate to end the war was not about Ron Paul.

It's about where we go from here. Is America going to be the world's policeman, in 130 countries, with 700 military bases? Are we going to attack every single country we think might want to make nuclear domestic power because they might nuke us each day? Do we re-examine our foreign policy, or do we simply submit to the will of government and special interests?

Do we take a stand against socialism? Do we figure out how to restore sound money and stop borrowing from the Red Chinese?

Do we support tyrannical countries like Saudi Arabia, or do we condemn them? If we condone these regimes, how can we credibly spread democracy?

You can continue being Polly Anna, and I will continue being Paul Revere.

Have a nice night.

 

Do you have a hard on for me or something?

Just as you always state 'holding you to a higher standard' and loving when people bring you up as you think it makes you for some reason a correct individual or something, I guess I must be way, way above you since you obsessively bring me up.

What would I stand up to him on? When I believe much of the same as he does why would I stand up to him, that sounds pretty dumb IMHO. If and when I see him post something I do not agree with I WILL say something, until that time though it's just idiotic to think I'm not man enough for 'not standing' up to someone who posts for the most part what I believe.

Your argument is so weak that you have to bring me up over and over and over again.

 

Why is it so hard for you to take criticism about your country? Nobody is perfect, not even your country so why can't you accept that? People moan about America because they want it to improve and correct it's problems, it's only for the better but you can't seem to take that for some reason....

 

Gtech please prove this, Please show us how I spent untold energy defending terrorists to later admit it was not a problem. I would love to see this, outright fact and not twists by you to show something other than it's intent.
The 'two positions' you can never show.

I looked through your posts, 5 posts bring up my name, some of them multiple times, others bring up your cute little pet names for me, making at least 6-7 or more posts in this very thread bringing me up. I guess you trully do have a crush on me.

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BTW having a problem with how a policy was being played out at a facility does not equal wanting or thinking the facility should be closed. If that was the case then I guess I want the White House closed.

 

Criticism is one thing, straight out bashing is another, the distortion of the truth is another, complete ignorance is another. We never proclaim perfection. Our problems are however, far less than others. We have a government that, though may have its flaws, it works, and works well. Every once in a while we screw up, who doesn't. The main thing here is so many people have distorted knowledge about the US. Everyone has a conspiracy theory. The only reason they have these theories against the US is because we are actively playing a role in protecting ourselves our allies and even the Iraqi people, which involves, getting involved, and many are willing to sacrifice their lives to do it. Thats Honor, thats American pride, thats patriotism. Those who do not get it, lack those things.

 

Those who follow blindly and do not question obvious lies and cover ups lack much more than common sense

 

You want to talk common sense? Would you leave a child that couldnt fend for himself in a room with killers?

Im sure your answer is no, so how can anyone willingly leave an incomplete immature Iraq to fend off the "breeding terrorist" Common sense says we should stay until they are stable. Not leave them to be torn apart. Not only common sense but common morale

 

simplyg123, what happened when we left Vietnam?

 

You know I think it would be a great if idea if Iraq went back to the voting booths only this time the people of Iraq would vote on rather or not the Military should leave Iraq or stay the Course and should be ran by parties that could care less eaither way

Then we would really know if the want us over there or not to help them

I personally am guessing we would be voted out of the counrty but if we were voted to stay that would sure send a message to the rest of the world and if they want us out then they would have no one to blame when we leave if there world blows up with civil war because it was the iraq people who wanted it that way

 

You wont get very far trying to turn that around on me in such a way. I have been against the war since before we went in, I also fear leaving too soon.

Just like I'd be against our government blowing up a damn, but I sure as hell would not want us to simply leave the damn blown up without making sure something was in place to fix our mess we created.

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BTW what brought the terrorists there?

 

"Our problems however, are far less than others"

This is what I'm talking about, you're like someone who is bad at a video game and blames it on a game and not himself.

 

a communist country gained power, we went home with a loss, later to become friends with the Vietnamese.

 

Not sure im following you here. Ive repeatedly said we are not perfect, I believe you are pulling some meaning out of my words which isn't there, pretty much like the way you assume certain things about America, that you don't know for fact.

 

Right. And then the commies took over the world right? They're on both of our borders, staring us down with sanctions and nukes?

Please. There are worse things than leaving Iraq. Yes, we made an error of judgment, but the longer we stay, the greater the cost to both of us.

 

Indeed. This was very observant of you! It directly counters the notion that little islamist terrorists do what they do because they are poor and struggling. In fact, it clearly shows it's much more about religious ideology (what you, ron paul, grim and others cannot seem to comprehend). But we've had these discussions before. I've quoted the quran, and out came the sympathy.

I recommend The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Islam (and the Crusades) by Dr. Robert Spencer. It's the most comprehensive guide to islam I've read. Someone might want to send a copy to ron paul, because he apparently thinks it was "our fault" when the barbary pirates were attacking America.

Wolfowitz hasn't backed up anything. bin laden's words are his words. I could care less what bin laden has to say. If you want to give him credit, sympathy and understanding, that's your choice.

I'm not tired either. Just have other things that are more important than tangling with someone who defends terrorists (Ahmadeenajad) that have American blood on their hands.

I'm not like Grim, I don't have to have the last word.

Who says they were elected to end the war? I realize ron paul doesn't care about honor. That goes without saying. You have honor, just not for our soldiers. The defeat that democrats wanted, isn't going to happen. I know that is troublesome for some of you, but you'll have to learn to live with it. Perhaps, instead of accepting a victory, you could blame America first? Never a bad word for saddam?

Really? I could have sworn it was about tearing America down every day, for every perceived problem the world has. That's how it comes across. Do we submit to the utter nonsense of ron paul supporters AND terrorists? That seems to be what you are suggesting. "but, but, but bin laden doesn't like the fact we are in a country he was exiled from!!!!" Who gives a flying pigs foot what the hell bin laden wants? ron paul?

Do we submit to the will of bin laden?

Allies of convenience? I don't care about saudi arabia. That card has no value here.

I was thinking more like Benedict Arnold. Paul Revere wasn't about tearing America down.

You too. That offer is open. Stop ceaselessly tearing our country down every day, and I'll lay off. I suspect you probably cannot do that though. I haven't checked grime's posts yet, but my guess is, he's sucking on your toes for bashing America. Such a shame too...he used to have a spine.

In not interested in what an islamist has to say. I've already pointed out how you should be thrilled by the support you and your kind have from the dumb infidels. They serve your cause well.

Uggg, someone had to go and quote grime

Grim has multiple positions on everything. If you chose not to put him on ignore, he will go round and round and round and round with you, until he gets the last word. If you let him have the last word, he will shut up. If you even fart though, he'll come rushing back in to get double last words, just to make sure.

Two million South Vietnamese were slaughtered.

Bring them home with honor. Sadly, RP doesn't know the meaning of "honor."

So some blame is ok, but others are not? yeah, keep making my point

 

Is that what history will show in 20-30 years? You like freedom, as long as it's not a burden on anyone? What was the message McCain brought home with him, to send along to Ron Paul?

I take it you are disappointed the surge is working? I know many where when I first reported it. My gawd! I never saw so many doom and gloom faces! It was so rewarding.

 

I guess I was right, sorry Gtech it's not that I'm not flattered, I however just don't swing that way