I forgive the US if they elect Dr. Ron Paul

Gunna back that up with their statements?

Btw, I wasn't aware that Archimedes and Aristotle worked for the government. You wouldn't happen to believe that the Bible was written in English, would you?

 

And this is exactly why Ron Paul doesn't have a clue. Because he, and the people that don't have a clue who follow him believe there were only 19 terrorists in the world, and RP believes it was our fault that we were attacked.

Thank you! Thank you, thank you, thank you for illustrating that point for me! It simply shows how inexperienced, naive, and totally out of touch with reality ron paul is.

 

So let me get this straight, when Huck wants to close Gitmo, when Huck talks about Bush's foreign policy needing to be changed, when Huck calls waterboarding torture that is just 'something to disagree on' but when someone else sees it the same way as Huck it's 'tearing down America' or being a 'terrorist supporter'



Talk about double standards, hypocrite through and through.

Speaking of Huck real quick, even though I can't stand the guy, I do like the info I've read on his stance on the 2nd ammendment. I like how he points out the 2nd ammendment is not there for hunters, but by default will protect hunting guns. I wish more would take that stance, including the NRA.

 

its not the point go do your own research and educate yourself, anyone with IQ over 20 will tell you war has added to our technology its fact. please educate yourself.

 

Wrong there is something that will protect you, and that is exactly what America is doing, we are taking out the bad guys before they take us out. What qualifies them as bad guys? Simple, those with intentions and plans to attack innocents. You might not be afraid to die, but how would you feel if your mother died due to a terrorist bombing, or your child? Perhaps you are not old enough to know what that pain would be like, but i seriously doubt you can sit there now and say you wouldn't fear that.

Yes i feel safer, do you realize how many attempts have been halted due to heightened security?

 

Bah the morality card and the anti-american card all because someone said to get out of Iraq.
I would question the morality of draining OUR resources and letting our SOLDIERS die to protect YOUR moral high ground. Is that the best reason you have to stay there? You say we are going to fix the place and make it stable but when has any occupying force actually produced that? Should we bankrupt ourselves in an attempt to do what no one has ever done before?
I am not anti-american or anti-war. But I am also not pro-empire or pro-war.

The real bee in my bonnet in all this is that there is no War in Iraq, no declaration of war has ever been issued. There is no War on Terror for the same reason. Hell even if we wanted to make a formal declaration of war on terrorism there is no nation to declare war on! Do any of you really believe you can fight a war on a tactic? The tactic will always remain. There will always be terrorism somewhere.

I respect ALL of our soldiers who fight honorably for whatever we tell them to fight for whether I agree with the fight or not. I support my country as well and in doing so I try to assess for myself what I think is in our best interest and what is not. I do not think hanging out in Iraq is helping us at all. I think we need to get up and get out and if we want to assist them in what will probably be a civil war afterwards then we should do it without sending our troops there.

 

Yet we took over a country that had nothing to do with 'terrorism' against us, we are increasing the terrorists count, not the other way around.

Finally making some progress, finally killing some of the terrorists we created and brought to Iraq. At what price though? Creating more in the long term is my guess.

 

now this is where i gotta correct you...

YOU CAN NEVER TAKE CARE OF ALL THE BAD GUYS THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE THIS WAR IS NEVER ENDING POINTLESSNESS ACCORDING TO YOUR THEORY OF KILLING ALL THE BAD GUYS. IT WONT AND CANNOT HAPPEN!

If you honestly believe we can kill every terrorist over in the middle east let alone IRAQ then you must be from texas or your IQ is -10.

Just being over there has increased terrorists numbers. They hate us! we are breeding terrorists because we killed some kids parents in a bombing now this kid hates America for example. We are fighting a never ending battle.

But its kinda obvious we aren't over there to kill terrorists we are there to build bases.

 

Incorrect. Ron Paul believes that bad foreign policy decisions are why we were attacked.

And if you want to call the former chief of the Counterterrorist Center's bin Laden unit someone without a clue, then surely you have some credentials beyond web links to draw upon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4889-2004Nov22.html

I'm happy to see you endorsing a candidate who stands against Bush's horrible record.

 

Killafawk, while I do agree with your post for the most part. There is no reason to rip on people from Texas. Just like any state you have people from all walks of life and political ideas.

 

Honestly whether we are wrong or right for going there is kind of irrelevant at this point. We are there, and we should finish what we started. We should tried our best to make it better. The soldiers that are there were not forced to join the army or marines or any other armed force, they volunteered, they wanted to be there. The majority of them want to finish the job. Otherwise they were there for nothing

 

Ok, but your rationale fails on Iraq, because not only were there not WMDs, and not only did they have nothing to do with 9/11, but it has cost half a trillion dollars, several thousand American lives, and 10s of thousands of American casualties.

It's actually quite similar to Vietnam, where Communism was perceived as this global threat to America, and yet today, we know that the Vietnam was started under false pretenses, bad intel or both.

It's dangerous, when you attack people, because you think they may attack you. Sometimes you're wrong. And then a lot of innocent people on both sides die.

Again, by your logic, I would be totally within my rights to shoot people on the street, if I thought they might pose a threat to me next week, or in a year.

Again, the fear mongering in America is alive and well. We're the greatest military power in the world, capable of wiping entire countries off the face of the earth, and yet 19 hijackers who killed 3,000 people, have scared us into engaging in the deaths of 100's of thousands.

No. I do not. Please list them for me.

 

No not all, but the more the merrier, i would rather there be 9 terrorist than 10.

Obvious? Thats an assumption, you cant sit here and tell me you honestly believe, we went through all this for a base.

 

What does it say about you, living in New Mexico? Let's not go there, comparing intelligence between Texans and Pepper Farmers.

I didn't bother with the sympathy for terrorists part. Just keeping track of the posts to make a point a little later on. Unfortunately, since GRIM's narcissism cannot be self-controlled, I'll have to "view post" on his comments, since he's still on ignore, to see if he helped make an important point I'm trying to make.

Will be a good one too! Just letting everyone get their kind words about terrorists in, before making it.

 

Nah i don't hate texas it was just a joke since bush is from texas and those loonies seem to support him still to this day, i don't think it has anything to do with political point of view just because hes from texas. Ever since JFK we have voted for looks and popularity and not on political views. Most of these votes come from southern states who don't care about politics just about popularity.

 

Funny thing is, GTech is from Texas. LMAO

 

Well than you are having a comprehension problem. We went after Saddam Hussein, not bob smith, or Habib Muhammad. We are fighting evil people that have intentionally cause harm to innocent lives. Not some man walking down the street. The attacks we have made were backed with tons of intelligence, not just a random guy that looks mean.

 

Where did you get your degree to be a shrink again? You never answer it, yet you sure think you are capable of being one..

BTW when will you make a point about Hucks sympathy for terrorists?

I myself do NOT want to see Gitmo closed, he does. Guess he's more of a terrorist supporter than me in your own logic

 

I think removing Saddam from power was not "nothing" and I think some of the impact we have made there has been a good thing. But I do think it is time to start working on that exit strategy. I don't think we should bring all our boys back home in one day but they do need to come back. And hell if nothing else we need to get the hired mercenaries out of there, and the contractors too.
I hear a lot of people say we need to finish the job there and for a long time I felt the same way about it. In '04 I was one of those people saying don't change commander in the middle of the fight and that we should stay the course but ya know what? Nothing has changed since then over there. There are still huge parts of that country that no one has control over and the government we propped up is still disfunctional. All it has done is put US in a bind. If they truly want freedom and democracy let them make it.
Why not go back to Afghanistan and fix that place first? Or at least actually get Osama. Unfinished jobs only seem to be an unpopular idea when they are lucrative.

 

I don't like it here either but its where i was raised and thats were family is and its probably the safest place in the USA in terms of natural disasters, not to mention all the natural features we have its an outdoors type state.

but anyway getting off track.

sounds like you are from Texas lol! Anyway terrorists aren't a threat or wouldn't have been a threat if we din't have a shitty view on everything.