I forgive the US if they elect Dr. Ron Paul

Seems like you are a bit of a hypocrite, your user name is guerilla for Gods sake, not to mention the camo in your avatar, yet you talk like your antiwar, the truth is you are anti American and you would hate to see the US succeed

 

The hotbed of anti-Americanism from the ron paul supporters is alive and well today! Good lord, does anyone need a tissue?

This confirms something I've said all along. If you are against America, sympathetic towards terrorists, ron paul is an excellent candidate? Why? Because as demonstrated in this thread, those that have always hated America and those that are sympathetic to terrorists that have always wanted to attack America know that ron paul will do nothing to protect America.

There couldn't be a finer illustration of this, than this thread.

Ludicrous? It's absolutely admirable. Obviously you have no idea what "honor" is. You've never served anything more than your own self-interests. We fucked up? YOU fucked up! When you go on a date (if in fact you actually do), do you sit around telling your potential date how bad you suck? Do you tell her that you after sex, you have uncontrollable farts? Do you tell her that in the morning, your armpits smell like garlic and onions? No? You are willing to tear your country down, but you have enough "honor" not to tear yourself down? Isn't that self-serving?

No, some of us still believe in that honor. If you believe honor is gone, it's due to people like you who never knew what honor was in the first place. It's due to people like you, who have a choice (as you did in this thread) to stand up for the honor of your country, but instead, chose the "popular" course of action of tearing your country down in a thread where you could have otherwise made a difference. And that is shameful.

Bring them home with honor. Obviously ron paul has no clue what "honor" is. Nor does he seem to care. Ron Paul couldn't fix an ingrown toenail. He's never passed any meaningful legislation, he's a kook, a pacifist and a "blame America first" nutjob.

Ron Paul won't have the opportunity to tear our country down and make it simple as pie for terrorists to attack us. He won't have the opportunity to respond to a terrorist attack by saying "but, but, but we deserved it." Nor will people like you get the satisfaction of being a willing accomplice.

Now, having said all that, and lambasted you for such horrible things you said, can I presume you don't really care for it? Can I presume that you take it "personally" and don't really like it?

If so, then you obviously understand what "honor" is, when it comes to you personally. Most importantly, you may finally understand what "honor" is, when it comes to "my" (not necessarily your) country. I feel the same way. When you and other ron paul nuts sit around here, day in and day out, tearing America down, self-loathing, blaming America first and giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you know how I feel. I no more like seeing you and others tear my country down, then you like having responses like this from me.

Can I also presume that now you will stand up for your own honor, when you wouldn't stand up for the honor of your country? Let's see how much honor you have, to respond to what I said. Will you stand up for your own "personal honor," but not that of your country?

 

After WW2 we became "THE" Super power.

If you honestly believe all what you said then you have no education what so ever. any scientist across the world no matter if its biology scientist to astronomer will tell you War is nessissary and without it we most likely would still be living in the bronze ages and what not. read a history book kid please.

 

The Founders were guerillas and insurgents.

If expecting the rule of law to be obeyed, American lives saved, and the economy kept healthy, as well as respect for the Constitution is Anti-American, then I stand guilty.

Succeed at what?

 

I like the way you think. Right on bro!

 

Do you have any sources or proof to back up your assertions? Since you said any scientist would back you up, surely you can produce, say, 3?

Disagree with this statement?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071215/D8THJH880.html

 

Succeed at stabilizing Iraq, ridding the world of terrorist. You know its sad Someone finally starts standing up to the evil in this world, and people like you tell us to mind our own business. You must like to live in fear.

 

That statement, no. The article, somewhat.

Were you going to suggest you, and others, could make such eloquent statements without tearing America down? I'd really, really, really love to see that altered reality

Let's see what you have, guerilla. Make your anti-Americanism positive, I welcome the change.

 

On the contrary, you are acting out of fear. I don't fear terrorists. I have my 2nd Amendment rights. If I'm on a hijacked plane, I would resist.

As far as the rest, I recommend you study some foreign policy history. You're sadly lacking in knowledge when it comes to pre 9/11 global events.

 

I see. So you agree that the Bush Administration has used a arrogant bunker mentality at home and abroad.

Funny, Mike's finally coming around to Ron's way of thinking.

 

hell theres thousands of scientists who work for the govertment go pick one out of the hat.

 

See you totally sidestepped my question.
I didn't ask if inventions were used in wars I was asking if you could prove that they would not have ever been invented without one. Can you prove that war is the only means of inspiration available or that it is at least superior to other forms of inspiration when it comes to inventions. No you can't. But hey that's your belief and you are free to it.
As far as war being a natural human instinct I would say violence definitely and lust for power too but actual war is nifty little invention we have used to take both of those to an extreme level. Diplomacy and laws can replace war 9 times out of 10 and when that ten comes up it should be because all other possibilities were exausted.

 

Right, so surely you would be able to find 3 that back up your position, right?

Don't make statements, you're not willing to stand by.

 

This whole section of the forum is infested with the anti-America disease. Most of them, I don't really see as "Americans" anyway. They spend enormous amounts of wasted energy tearing America down, day in and day out. Always soft-spoken and kind towards terrorists, never a bad word. If a world leader (Iran) has American blood on their hands, he is a hero....worthy of defending, honor and respect.

But when you point these things out, they cry out with big mule tears about how they are America too. They want some nobility to comes with being American, yet they spend all their time tearing our country down.

I've never seen a group in more dire need of dewussification in my life. Damn near every one of them are ron paul supporters too. Says a lot about ron paul.

 

One group of airline passengers tried that they still died, your second amendment wont protect you from a guy in a bomb suit.

Im well aware of pre 911 events, it still doesnt change anything, we are in a situation that needs to be dealt with, not walked away from. Thats the bottom line.

 

Of course not all inventions were created because of war. I am saying a lot of the technology you use today was created by war. I don't care if they would have been invented if they had not been created for the war it din't happen that way so why are we talking about it as if it did? It din't so quit making pointless assumptions.

A lot of things were created from war and its a fact you can't change that.

As far as diplomacy vs war goes, diplomacy is good but if nuclear bombs hadn't been invented (by war) we would be in constant war. the only reason we aren't in war as often as pre-nuclear era is because if we do something wrong someone else has the power to destory the world.

Nuclear bombs is what is saving us from the world kicking our asses and ganging up on us.

 

I agree that ron paul has no idea what honor is, is a kook, ceaselessly "blames America first," would do nothing to protect America and anti-Americans seem to relish in him, as noted.

If Mike were coming around to the kooks and cranks way of thinking, he'd be talking about conspiracies on alex jones radio show. If Mike were coming around to RP's way of thinking, Mike would be weak on immigration. As such, he has a remarkable plan. If Mike were coming around to RP's way of thinking, Mike would be against securing America and protecting it. If Mike were coming around to RP's way of thinking, RP wouldn't be paying others to go do his dirty work in Iowa because RP isn't man enough to do it himself. If Mike were coming around to RP's way of thinking, RP wouldn't have any experience or accomplishments. Wait, nevermind on that one


I agree that this is the fourth time (that I've seen) that you've made a comparison.

Huckabee = liberal (ok, no doubt rp is liberal)
Huckabee = Bush (really?)
Huckabee = Ron Paul (twice now)

Were those flips, or flops?

 

Nothing will protect you from a guy in a bomb suit. Nothing will protect you from the 100 missing former USSR suitcase nukes floating around the world.

I'm not afraid of dying, and I'm not afraid of terrorists. But I'm also not stupid enough to provoke attacks.

"Dealing with the situation" is a part of the lead up to the problems. Please go study some foreign policy.

Do you feel safer today, than you did on 9/12?

If you don't, you need to ask yourself, why over 100,000 people have died then.

If you do, you need to ask yourself if it was worth over 100,000 people dead, thousands of Americans injured, to make you safe.

There were 19 Hijackers on 9/11. Nineteen.

 

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there three scientists out of the black hat are you happy that was so hard.

 

GTech, all I am confirming, is that you agree with Mike's statement that the Bush administration has been one of an arrogant bunker mentality at home and abroad.

And I'm happy to see both you and your candidate condemning what has been a horrible 8 years of rule by the Bush family and the neocons.

Welcome to the Revolution.