I forgive the US if they elect Dr. Ron Paul

Though i some what agree with you, there is a difference, one being we are not a dictatorship which has proven on many occasions that they don't care about their own people, or anyone else. And they are willing to kill numbers of people for absolutely no reason.

 

I want our troops to come home and I am a Texan. Its 30% across the whole nation, not just in Texas or the south. Also, unlike the stereo type people know of, A LOT of people in the south are not red necks.

 

When the Jihadists start bombing Houston and Dallas you will start changing your tune real fast.

 

that's entirely their business. The US has no right of policing the world

 

lol .. im not an american but this just sounds hilarious

 

We all live on this planet, it is all of our business.

Do you realize 90% of the troops, want to be there, fighting for there country.

 

Let me point out to you that France, a European country, is intervening in Africa and maintains a force of mercenaries called the French Foreign Legion. 30 percent of Frances' army forces stationed outside of France.

France currenty has troops intervening in the follwing countries.

Chad - 1,300 French troops have been augmented by an additional 600 other soldiers and increased weapons shipments.

Central African Republic - France has 200 soldiers in the CAR and there is a call for additional troops after this month’s fighting. It has already supplied tactical air support to the CAR and with the growing rebel presence of Captain Abakar Sabone of the Union of Democratic Forces of Unity (UFDR), it seems highly unlikely that Bozize will be able to hold on to power without foreign assistance.

Djibouti - France has moved an additional 200 “commandos” to its Counter-Terrorism base in Djibouti in anticipation of fighting between Ethiopia and the Union of Islamic Courts. They join approximately 2,800 French troops

Cote D’Ivoire - There are over 5,000 French soldiers in Cote D’Ivoire

Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) - 700 peacekeepers in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) as part of a European Union force

The US is a permanent member of the UN Security consul and has an obligation to stop crimes against humainity and genocide.

 

It is not in our best interest to "police the world" in any way shape or form. If we the people (and the prez and congress) want to help out an ally or even go after a terrorist organization we see as a threat (original intent in Afghanistan I believe) then bombs away but to set about making the world in our own image is not something we have the right to do or can even afford to do.
If we considered Saddam and Iraq to have been an IMMINENT threat (lions, tigers, and WMD's, Oh my) then yeah lets go blow something up and hang Saddam for war crimes but to stick around and make the place into what we think it should be is pretty damn arrogant. If they want independance and freedom then let them fight for it themselves and work out what that means to them.
It took us a long time to get this country in any sort of decent state of affairs and it was a long bloody road, to think we have gotten it so perfect already that we can impose that on others is beyond silly to me. Next we will be bombing Iran for having the possibility of maybe making a nuclear weapon that could perhaps someday be used against someone we might rather they didn't drop it on. Way too many ifs and maybes in all that for us to be extending ourselves for.

 

Yes and as our obligations to the UN are presided over by counsel votes and the forces and (boatloads) of cash we supply to the UN are all well and good. But that is the UN policing the world, not the US.
I think we should pull out of the UN personally. It seems to cost us a lot more than it provides. If someone could enlighten me on why it is good for the US that we be in it I would appreciate it.

 

You got a point there!!! However, there is an air base that is near my house. I know reinforcement will be right there if needed. I hope and pray that day will not come.

 

when have they done that and whats stopping them now? I could drive to dallas and do it myself what does that mean? means no matter how hard we try we can't prevent everything.

 

Why would the jihadists bomb on American soil again?

They're doing a bang up job getting us to bankrupt ourselves overseas.

 

The "you break it, you buy it" analogy is almost as ludicruous as Huckabee's "we have to preserve our honor" reasoning. We fucked up the country, toppled the government, we need to let them be, without further sanctions, to find their own national image. Our honor is gone in this world, the rest of the world thinks we are the playground bully and you practically have to pretend to be Canadian to get by in foreign countries these days. It's high time, with the recent successes in Iraq, to hand over the reins and get the hell out. We can't afford this war, or this government spending, and I hope to hell we elect Paul to fix it all. He doesn't need Congress on his side, because it they want to fuck with him and stonewall him, he can veto every goddamned bill that comes onto his desk until they decide to compromise. Congress, Republicans, and the American public in general are going to see a new revolution, and this time without one shot of a gun.

Ron Paul isn't the first candidate who's had these ideas

 

When are people going to realize that every time we go to War, we f**k up the economy?

Vietnam, we destroyed the Bretton Woods agreement.

Gulf War I put us in a recession.

Gulf War II has undermined the dollar, raised inflation and driven commodity prices through the roof.

If a person cannot imagine a world without war, then I would say they have little imagination. There are very few enemies we could not destroy in short order if required. This threat alone has contained countries like Russia and China.

Nation building exercises and undeclared wars on behalf of ideologues and the United Nations only serve to make America weaker.

And while everyone is shopping, 25% of the homeless in this country are veterans. Merry F**King Christmas.

 

without WW2 we wouldn't be the superpower we are today.

without war you wouldn't be on a computer right now.

without war the dollar wouldn't be worth more than the yen.

without war we would still be living in caves. War drives imagination and pushes people to push the limits of our technologies and improve. Say what you want about war but War will always be apart of our society and it has to be.

 

Killafawk while I can see where you are coming from it is not a fact like you state it to be that war is necessary. Are you sure we would not have invented the internet and computers without war? Are you sure that the driving force behind inspiration, imagination, and technological achievement is only war? How can you be sure? Was the wheel only invented for the war chariot? Steam engine for the navy? Airplanes for the airforce?
I don't think so but it's up to you to back up that claim.

 

We were a super power before WW2.

Right, and war invented math and logic.

And the Japanese might never have been able to so fully infiltrate our markets.

Nonsense. Absolute, and total nonsense.

It's this cynical view of human nature, and the potential of man, that allows the fanatics to stimulate lower brain thinking.

What next? Without war there could be no love? Without war there could be no prosperity? Without war there would be no education?

Please. The greatest advances have come in times of peace, not in times of war. Technology grows and spreads with prosperity. War destroys resources, and retards the economy.

 

From what I can tell, much of this member's philosophy comes from an older source.

 

The first computer, or "modern computer" was invented in World War II by a German engineer, Konrad Zuse in 1941 called the Z3.

The Internet was originally developed by DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, as a means to share information on defense research between involved universities and defense research facilities.

as far as your other items you list you can't have a chariot without a wheel so that doesn't make any sense. Steam engines weren't built for the navy to use they were adapted to use for the navy boats. How could we have an air force when we din't have air planes.

Point is, the goverment adapted all these things to do certain stuff and that was a long time ago when pretty much the people had a large part to do with the goverment. Not like today everything is top secret. Almost all technology electronics you see somehow seen its way through the military first before it gets to you.

GPS.
microwave ovens.
hang gliders.
smoke detectors.

just for starters and thats during the cold war where not a single "shot" was fired. Imagen the inventions caused by regular wars.

 

Bomb and leave, yeah that makes a lot of since. I mean do you people hear what your are saying, we have demolished the place, and now you want us to up and leave. Do you really think that is the right thing to do? If so, you have absolutely no morals Yall seem to think we are at war with the iraqi people. Thats not the case. We were at war with Saddam and his supporters, we owe it to the people of iraq to hand over a working government before we leave. It would be wrong to pull out with am unstable government. Thank about it, most of you think it was pointless to even go there, but we did go there, and if we up and leave them in shambles, what has anyone gained? That will be our defeat, that will be Iraqs defeat. That would make the war pointless. You people should really quit your crying, and let America deal with the situation its in. If we stick this out Iraq will have a stable government, and we can leave with everyone happy except Saddam and his supporter. I swear Ignorance is Bliss