Father killed daughter for not wearing hijab

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Colleen, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. grab my heat

    grab my heat Banned

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    #181
    The Quran wasn't compiled by Muhammed, it was compiled after he died.
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #182
    then that website is flat wrong...or you are wrong...which is it? An islamic sponsored website? or you?
     
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    #183
    The site and me are right, the site itself provides your answer.

    From your link:

    It's quite ovbious that you were only looking for anti-islamic content, so you just looked for your thing and didn't actually bother reading the paragraph.
     
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    killafawk Active Member

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    #184
    well considering the bible was written aprox. over 1,600 years and the Quran shows a lot of similarity to the bible just kinda dumbed down non detailed version

    either it was copied from the bible itself in some form or another or Mohamed had a type writer!

    which is it?

    Btw i don't believe in either religion but if a book took "1,600" years to write and your trying to say Mohamed wrote the Quran in his lifetime that just sounds like he copied and pasted shit from the bible and called it the Quran and changed some shit.
     
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    Nora Well-Known Member

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    #185
    Poor girl.. :S I have nothing against different beliefs but the stuff I keep hearing about Islam and have seen make me think its extremely threatening.. (no offense to those who believe..)
     
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    #186
    There wasn't a Bible in Arabic at the time of Muhammed, plus it is entirely different to the bible, you should actually read it before you make such comments.
     
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    #187
    i don't read trash.
     
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    #188
    Well how can you comment on it then? And you can't possibly know it's trash if you haven't read it.
     
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    killafawk Active Member

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    #189
    because i see the trash it creates.
     
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    #190
    Come on, you're smarter than that. I usually wouldn't bother debating but I know you have some sense from your views about the Iraq war and GTech (lol). There is a verse, I can't remember it off the top of my head that says:

    "The Misguided people of the book will fight and say "This is in the name of Allah!" but verily, they are astray."

    That's not the exact wording but it goes something like that. Anyway don't be ignorant and dismiss it even though you know nothing about it, you're much better than that. Just because Christianity and the Bible is illogical does not make Islam and the Quran illogical. Infact, they are perfection.
     
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    #191
    i don't believe in either. Honestly i don't hate the teachings of either book i just hate how people interpret it and twist it to wage war on each other.
     
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    #192
    there wasn't a bible for a long time, not until the jewish scribes wrote down all the stories that had been handed down from generation to generation....so, the chance that ol mo still knew what was in the jewish bible and the christian bible is pretty big.
     
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    #193
    Answer:

    H.G. Wells (1866–1946). A Short History of the World. 1922.
    XLIII. Muhammad and Islam


     
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    #194
    Please explain to me how Muhammed knew the universe was expanding in the 6th century when we have only recently figured that out. It's not possible.
     
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    #195
    Assuming he actually "knew" and it was not just a beautiful turn of phrase there are many possible answers.
    1. Aliens told him.
    2. Aliens told someone who told him.
    3. Demons told him.
    4. God told him.
    5. Angels told him.
    6. The devil told him.
    7. Something neither you or I could think of.
    8. An advanced mathematical genius of one of the many pre-existing civilizations passed this knowledge down after discovering it through ancient records (such as the Egyptians are known to have done) of the movement of stars over thousands of years and from that calculated in much the same way we have that the universe is probably expanding.
    Regardless of whether or not he knew about that one thing or whether God told him about that, that does not automatically make him correct about everything much less does it make those who actually wrote down his teachings for him correct either.

    Look I am really not concerned with whether your religion is the only right one or not but when you act like your logic is somehow superior and that is the reason your religion is so "perfect" you are showing your lack of imagination and frankly you are presenting yourself as being not only morally superior to everyone else but intellectually superior as well, and you are not perfect.
     
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    #196
    Chill Bro...

    Now, until you read the Quran, or the bible, you wouldn't know about the content. This book, the holy Quran, was compiled 1400 years ago. Do you know the history of that time? Do you know the social problems those societies were plagued with?

    Nothing. You know nothing... but still you are judging the religious books. Doesn't seem fair.
     
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    #197
    Did you know Muhammeds companions asked for proof that he was a prophet and he split the moon in half? NASA Pictures today show that there is a huge split all the way around the moon.

    How could he of known about the big bang?

    How could he of known that the universe came into existance some 16 billion years ago?

    How could he of known what an Atom was?

    I could go on forever, but you get my point, it is impossible for him to know - he recieved revelations from the Almighty.
     
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    #198
    Well the atom is pretty easy,
    As far as splitting the moon, I have read the verse and honestly it reads like gibberish to me and could just as easily be talking about some end time vision as it does anything that might have actually happened, besides can you imagine how many tidal waves would be caused by such an act?

    For the age of the Universe being predicted by Muhammed... I am not finding this evidence. I see a whole lot of inferences to how many days he said creation took and how many years a god day might have been according to the Quran and none of them are adding up to 16 billion or even close to that for me.

    AS far as predicting the big bang... Where? Ya know the idea that the Universe was created from a singular point that expanded out into the universe is not a new idea at all, many ancient civilizations held that there was a common source that expanded or unfolded to create the universe.

    Look I really have read all this before, I have seen the pages of posts you have made about the awesome powers of Mohammed and how he knew everything in the world... and I am just not impressed.

    As far as "chill bro" I am calm on all this. And I have read as much of the Bible as my limited education has allowed me to read (I know very little greek and hebrew but have attempted to research the bible in light of those interpretations) and as far as the Koran goes, its like the Book of Mormon to me, it sounds and feels a lot like the Bible but with totally different theology and of course since I do not know Arabic I cannot really read it in its original form and any english version I find will only be an approximation of what it says anyway. But you know muslims where I live won't talk to a cracker like me anyway, I can easily get a Mormon to give me his bible (thats how I got it) but I can't get a muslim to even talk to me about religion in person around here, so I am stuck with online versions and interpretations from people who have their own agenda's like proving that Allah wants me to know the age of the universe...
    I have no problem with Islam or the Koran though, I just don't see how anyone can take a simple phrase and decide to interpret that as having all these other meanings that are a not even necessary to its purpose. Do you think Mohammed's place on earth was to provide anecdotal evidence of the creation of the universe and to do some neat tricks with moon splitting or do you think it was to enlighten and guide the people around him? Me personally I think it was simply to live and leave the world a better place than he found it but hey I am a humanist, I do not see the escape from earth into some utopian afterlife as the greatest cause of my existence.
     
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    #199
    so ? is that idiot allowed to kill his daughter ?
     
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    #200
    <sarcasm>
    She was asking for it; just look at the way she was dressed.
    </sarcasm>
     
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