A prediction: Huckabee is the new Bush (to the media and dems)

You would probably also be aware that up until after 9/11, I was never into politics at all. It took me months of debating before I figured out I was conservative republican. There was no question I was not a self-loathing liberal

11% isn't bad. Unless your target has twice that much

Nationally, though, RP is barely on the radar.

 

I can't stand neocons.

 

If GTech is a conservative republican then I am a flaming ape from outer space!

 

No doubt. I think we should all chipin to buy GTech, "Conscience of a Conservative".

You can't be a real conservative, and approve of the warfare state.

A liberal Republican? Maybe. A neo-Conservative? Definitely. But not a Conservative Republican.

 

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Paul is at 13%, apparently.

I find a lot of Huckabee's immigration policies acceptable, as there is a definite merge between his words and the vision of my candidate. At the same point, there are some things I simply can't accept. I find it troubling that he's using tax dollars for illegal immigrants' education.

I cannot accept that. Regardless of their performance in school, or anything else, they are illegal, and our tax dollars should not fund their education. I don't hate these people, and I wish no harm upon them, but by being illegal, they are almost definitely not contributing money back to our government, and as such should receive nothing in return. When someone cuts in line you don't go "well damn, you're already in line, might as well let you slide". GET TO THE BACK OF THE LINE. Even if it's true that they had to be on the way to citizenship to qualify, it's still not good enough for me. There is no question we need some reforms to the ridiculous path to citizenship in this country, but at the same point, I must agree with Dr. Paul in that scholarships for immigrants is just another incentive that will bring people over to hop the fence. No amnesty, no rewards will lead to less illegal immigration.

 

I read a good one on a political site today.

Huckabee is Howard Dean. Dramatic rise, Iowa front runner, attacks against, and a shaky base.

I'm not sure that is true unless he crashes in Iowa. Which is a possibility, again being popular on a phone poll means little on the night of a bowl game, in the cold winter.

The candidates with the best GOTV (Get out the vote) campaign infrastructure will dominate the caucuses and primaries. You've got to be able to identify your voters, remind them leading up to the caucus, have caucus speeches ready for them if they need help getting ready to deliver one, watch kids, provide transportation etc. This sort of infrastructure is why it is very difficult to beat an incumbent. They have a person or persons on their staff who spend the entire term preparing for re-election.

 

wow my dad calls me up and is like, "heyy, how bout Huckabee?! he was just on O'rly! Chuck Norris supports him!! heyy you can't go against him c'mon!!"


he said he never even saw RP's face on the tv and i said "yeah, that's because you don't have the internet, you're watching a smokescreen."

 

Nate, your dad sounds like he needs to know more about Ron Paul.

 

haha yea man he does, i've been telling him for months about him but he gives me the same trademark o'rly response "ahhhh idk about that" and change the subject.

i'm going over tomorrow so if he brings it up i'll always have my arsenal ready.

my bro sent him some RP literature a month ago and he responded a few days later, "naa, he sounds a bit crazy to me, how does he plan on doing any of that?"

he's part of the old, apathetic generation that sees hope in nothing. "just gimme my social security and free health care and i'm happy."

 

Convert the family! I got my brother and my mother, working on my politically apathetic Republican-leaning father. He's a native New Yorker so he likes Guiliani and thinks he fixed a lot of shit there. My dad is a smart guy but not well learned in the Constitution and politics, he's very much a "what tangible things can I see?" kinda guy, so it's been an uphill battle :-/

What you say is so true, I would love to see voter turnout percentages on Ron Paul supporters. I don't care if there is a fucking hurricane, I'm at my polling place January 29th.

 

from reading all these posts...it looks like the prediction is coming true!

 

You mean you essentially asked, "o what do you think about Huckabee?", and we listed his faults and our personal problems with him? Astonished, I am.

 

idk what your prediction is, but if it is that RP won't be marketed enough to win, you are sadly mistaken.

I live in PA and the primary isn't until APR 22, why waste money on this state now? His face will be shown in this state soon enough and it will be after everyone is frustrated with the fake candidates.



fletch, i converted my brother, his fiance, and a friend so far. i'll soon be converting my mom, sister and her husband. my bro's fiance did a paper on Paul for her college classafter i converted her. later that week i asked her why she wasn't spreading his name throughout the school more and she replied, "they're doing it themselves, after the paper they really liked his platform aswell and he has become a topic at the republican club."

a few days ago my friend who goes to LA university IMs me saying he saw "my man" at his school that day and said he never saw him before but really liked him.



so d16, what's coming true?

 

did you read the thread title at all???

 

If by new Bush you mean someone who's fucked up so many times and done so many wrong and/or scandalous things that people can't stand to see him as a leader, then the answer would be yes, he is the new Bush. If you add in the fact that he draws his base from Evangelical Christians, then double that yes. If you add in that he would be a disastrous neo-con mess for America, then yes, I'd say he's Bush until I see them at the same place at the same time....

 

thank you for proving my point! When people see a winner, the only thing they can do is criticize! Face it, all the people that are criticizing are either RP, shrillary, or osamabama supporters. What does that have to say about that? Thanks to you all, for proving my point!!

 

no I didn't sorry, all these threads are basically the same. lol

 

I've got bad news for the OP. Some Republicans think Huckabee is the new Bush as well. And I don't think Bush would win another general election if he could run for a 3rd term.

Here's the bottom line.

Mike's rapid rise has everything to do with the evangelical right, and not conservative ideologues. However, the evangelical right are the closers, not the king makers. You still need the fis-cons, the trad-cons and the rank and file who vote based upon momentum and electability.

I've written it a couple of times lately. Mike doesn't have a lot of money or a large campaign. He has a lot of paid staffers relative to the funding. Anything less than 2nd in Iowa, and his campaign is over.

 

Right and Obama and Hillary are Dem front runners, and Paul gets so much flak on this forum, you would think he was already the President.

I mean, even you, an evangelical supporter, spend more time dissing Paul than you do supporting Huckabee.

 

Kerry lost, and I think Kerry sucked too, does that mean that since the media isn't covering a political figure who isn't that prominent anymore, it's biased as you are suggesting? The higher in the polls, the more prominent, the more likelihood of hit pieces, if there is something to make a hit piece about. It's not surprising or extraordinary.

Paul has been getting more and more publicity, although not to the degree or as quickly as Huckabee. It's not that people haven't tried to slam Paul, but they best they have is a newsletter he didn't write and some quirky supporters. That's a far cry from the infidelity and bad accounting of the Guiliani campaign, the multiple scandals of the Huckabee campaign, Thompson basically falling on his face out of the gate, and Romney being a liberal in Republican's clothing (or was he a Republican in liberal clothing, I really don't know anymore). Yawn.

EDIT: As Guerilla said, he does remind me a lot of Bush. And right now, three out of every four people in the country thinks Bush sucks ass. Not very good odds or a platform to be pursuing.