First GOP casualty? Fred Thompson

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  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #21
    Ok, first of all, even though I have you on ignore, is no reason for both of us to continue to be so hostile.

    I wrote, "Mitt's campaign is insolvent" or something very similar.

    Looking at the FEC reports (which I have already done, and am under no obligation to find you links for), you will see the debt of the Romney campaign.

    Now apply the accounting ACID test. Cash on hand minus current liabilities.

    You can also go to the bottom and see net contributions minus net expenditures. You'll notice he spends more than he brings in. The only reason he has a positive cash balance is the $17+ million he had loaned his campaign to that point.

    Romney is in the negative. He's only able to spend and generate the income he has at that level, because he is self-funding his own campaign through debt.

    On Paul's report, you will notice that for the end of Q3, he's brought in $8.2 million and only spent $2.8 million. Add that to the $11.3 million so far in Q4, and you're looking at a 4th quarter bankroll of almost $20 million. Pretty impressive in the leadup to the primaries.

    Is it all about money? Not really. If it was, Romney could buy the election. But it really says something about the Paul campaign when they can bring in this much money, from this many small donors, without the benefit of high polling numbers, media coverage and what some (ahem, present company) might call "nutty views".
     
    guerilla, Dec 12, 2007 IP
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    omgitsfletch Well-Known Member

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    #22
    I think people tend to marginalize Paul's numbers as "crazies have money too". The problem with this is that Paul is bringing in more money from more people than most of the GOP, and has a very good shot of being the top fund-raiser this quarter (Romney loaning himself the difference aside). He has over 133,000 donors in Q4! When someone can bring in $4.3M in a day, $11+M in a quarter, not even counting the upcoming Tea Party '07, they are a contender. You can't just say "eh it's some crazies", that is a huge amount of cash from a huge, diverse base.
     
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  3. guru-seo

    guru-seo Peon

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    #23
    Money bomb is Sunday! We will shake the establishment and shut up the skeptics!
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #24
    I even plan on donating a little, will be the first time I EVER donated to a campaign any $$$$.
     
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    guru-seo Peon

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    #25
    Same here. Never EVER donated for any political campaign before and I know a lot of people like me that have never donated but feel the urgency for change and will be donating this Sunday.
    It does feel good to be part of something important and historical.
     
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  6. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #26
    There are a lot of people who have donated for the first time in their lives.

    It's that kinda campaign.
     
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    Phooey Active Member

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    #27
    Sadly, I can forsee him running as an independent when he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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  10. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #30
    I'm pretty ignorant on the delegate process in Delaware. I'm not sure if it is winner take all, all I do know is that I think it is a closed primary, and the deadline for new Republican voters has already passed.

    I don't look at Fred's support going elsewhere, as much as Fred's support not really existing in any meaningful way in Delaware. I mean, if Paul can complete a ballot access petition, everyone who is "top tier" should be able to do so easily.

    The field needs to be winnowed down to 3 or 4 candidates. We know that Romney and Paul can afford to stay in, and Giuliani's campaign is geared towards late states. So the question becomes, which of Huckabee, McCain and Thompson will stay in the fight? It all comes down to Iowa and New Hampshire.
     
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    #31
    D16man- Are you kidding... Go back and look again... All of mitts money... HE BORROWED IT... FROM HIMSELF!
    It shows Ron Paul ahead with donations...
    Now go to Ron Paul's website www.ronpaul2008.com
    He has already past giuliani's third quarter fund raising haul... and after this sunday... He will be close to 20 million...
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #32
    then why are you responding? You shouldn't be able to see my posts if you have me on ignore....I guess I am proving you wrong again....btw, please provide a link and quit making me do your work....here was the original post by you:

    And I responded:
    You have yet to provide that source, all you keep rambling about is 3Q...back up your claim that RP's campaign has more money and a bigger campaign than the other candidates....please, prove me wrong. I'm begging.
     
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  13. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #33
    First, when you have someone on ignore, you still have the option to view posts on a selective basis.

    Btw, you are back to being hostile which is counter-productive to discourse.

    1. To the size of the national RP campaign, I counted 7 states with offices recently. The next closest was Mitt with 6.

    2. Ron Paul's grassroots organized through MeetUp.com has more groups than all of the other candidates, Dem and Republican, combined.

    3. Paul just broke double digits (11%) in South Carolina in a CNN poll.

    4. Paul's campaign passed the Q3 fund raising totals for Romney, Giuliani and all other Republicans 2 weeks ago. And we still have the biggest money bomb in electoral history coming up on Sunday.

    5. At the end of Q3, only Giuliani and Thompson had more cash on hand minus debt. Romney's campaign is insolvent, McCain's campaign was almost bankrupt.

    6. Paul recently OWNED the National Caucuses, in both the open and Republican categories.

    All of these details and more can be found in the Ron Paul Campaign Updates thread I have been maintaining.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #34
    Carla Marinucci: Fred's Final Moments?
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=23148

     
    guerilla, Jan 3, 2008 IP
  15. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #35
    Heh! Good article, Guerilla! It reminds me of ron paul's core policies. Don't fix or offer a solution to anything. If a 2x4 on a home is weak, destroy the whole house! If a pebble falls off the concrete, demolish it and put down some dirt!

    No thought, no skill, no mental ability to solve issues, even perceived ones. Just dismantle everything, and hope for the best! And it fits so well, within the positions of so many here. What? America has a problem? Well let's tear it down! The irony is remarkable!

    Ron Paul doesn't support the party or America. He, like his supporters, support their own self-centered and personal interests. Premium article to post, to illustrate this point!
     
    GTech, Jan 3, 2008 IP
  16. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #36
    You must not be familiar with his platform! The good news is, after tonight, America will be hearing more about Constitutional Government!

    Veteran Air Force Surgeon, 10 time Congressman and delivered 4,000 babies.

    I agree. Ron Paul does not support the party. He supports the Constitution of the United States. You might want to read it sometime. ;)
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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  18. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #38
    No, I think Hunter is just being excluded from the debates.

    He may drop out, but I don't think he has yet.
     
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    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #39
    His performance was way to low...he has not had a single bit of support in SC, mainly due to no ads, campaigning, etc. I say he is gone first.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #40
    First it was Giuliani who asked his staff to work January for free, now it's Huckabee.

    http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12611

     
    guerilla, Jan 22, 2008 IP