Anti-American Europeans

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by diex, Dec 4, 2007.

  1. guerilla

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    #181
    Blogmaster, you are aware that Israel has nukes right? That they are not in the NPT, and they can easily wipe out any of their opponents, any time.

    This fear mongering that Iran might get a nuke in 4 or 6 years is nonsense. Pakistan has nukes. India has nukes. The USSR lost 100 suitcase nukes when communism collapsed.

    Making up bogeymen destroys the chance for a quality argument.
     
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    #182
    I think you underestimate the hatred against Israel.
     
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    #183
    No, I know the hatred is great. And I also know that Israel doesn't exactly promote peace with it's neighbors either.
     
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    #184
    That reminds me of a kid in our neighborhood who constantly got beat up and his mom would say ¨Just don´t defend yourself, don´t fight, it will all go away.¨ Well, it didn´t. What do you expect Israelis to do? After 2k years of persecutions against Jews.
     
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    #185
    The problem with your analogy is that you got the 2 sides reversed. You are failing to see that Israel is the bully here.
     
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    #186
    And they will beat 1,5 billions of muslims?!? They will kill them all or what?!?
    Theres now milion and something of Arabs in Israel right now and with their birth rate sooner or later they will become majority and what then? Israel will expel them? Is it that hard to use common sense?
     
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    #187
    Yeah, well the thing is that when you want to help someone and then the same people do something against you and abuse your trust, how many chances do you give them? How many more suicide bombings do you need?
     
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    #188
    So Israel should expel them and kill 1,5 billions of Muslims worldwide?!? And I have a masterplan?!? And you are...what? Peacemaker and nice person?
    A lot of murders in US is commited by afro-american so when do you plan to expel them all? How many more murders do you need?
    I don't believe than I am actually disscusing things like this with you! Did you ever heard about things such as "reality" and "common sense"?
     
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    #189
    I am talking about reasons Israel should be caucious on who to let into their country and live there. Read instead of turning things around. Israel needs to control and live peacefully in the Jewish state. Of course, people like you seem to have a problem with Jews being in control of their own land. I have nothing against muslims living peacefully in their own country.
     
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    #190
    You fail to remember what caused the Jewish state to be built in the first place and also who started the war in 1967. You believe if Israel sat back and didn´t defend itself, nothing would happen? You are living in a dreamworld.
     
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    #191
    I'm not saying that they shouldn't defend themselves. And I'm not denying that they have been persecuted either.

    But what I am saying, is that a better way must be found for everyone. The people living in Palestine today can't bear the brunt for the Holocaust or the first 1,000 years of Jewish oppression.
     
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    #192
    The Holocaust, which is why I said Germany and Austria should be responsible for finding you land.
     
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    #193
    One that don't read is you. Read again what I've said: there is around milion and something Arabs in Israel right now. With their birth rate sooner or later they will become majority and than what? Do you now understand my question or should I repeat it couple of times?
    And stop with that boring anti-semitism accusations! It's boring and getting you nowhere.
     
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    #194
    I agree that Germany is responsible more than anyone else. But in the bible it has been predicted for Jews to get Israel back. So while we have so many geniusses here talking about how they know that Muslims wouldn´t attack if Jews just bent over, maybe we can get to the root of it all. Islam is out to conquer the world by the sword.
    You seem to be misled. You seem to like to follow a believe system where people like you claim to have solutions to everything.
    Life is not that easy.
    Israel belongs to the Jews. Like it or not. That is how it is. Claiming it was a mistake to give Israel back its promise land won´t do you any good.
    You are only encouraging more attacks against Israel.
    If you want to judge the entire nation, then put yourself in its shoes. Have you ever been discriminated against?
    If not, you are lucky, but that doesn´t qualify you to understand what it means to fight an uphill battle daily.

    Allow Israel to defend itself and stop listening to propaganda.
     
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    #195
    Good point. And who I blame is not the Palestinians, but places like Saudi Arabia who encourage violence against Jews and offer money to the families of suicide bombers.
     
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    #196
    ROFL, you know what Jesus said in the bible?

    OT
    Anyway the land is promised to the seed of abraham. Is isaac the only seed of Abraham? Doesn't your bible say Ishmael is also the seed and that God shall make him into a great nation, exceedingly large?. Its also common knowledge that Ishmael is the father of all arabs, Abraham left him in mecca, then an empty desert, as a baby, remember?

    So dont tell me the jews are the seed of Abraham alone.

    Also i think you need to stop listening to propaganda, out to conquer the world, rofl.

    Israel has no right to exist, it is a concocted racist supremacist nation of immigrants that are on lands they have stolen by force and have no rights to be on.

    Ancient israel existed for a few centuries some 2000 years ago. Before that they were slaves in Egypt. There is no such thing as a jewish race.
     
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    #197
    Well, Saudi Arabia are American pals. And Israel are American pals.

    And I think if Saudi Arabia and Israel could sit down at a table, across from each other without any outside influence, they could either reach some common ground, or agree to destroy one another and get it over with.

    Israel is the modern and military power in the Middle East. Unhindered by western or UN interference, they should be able to secure themselves, and promote a general peace.

    The question is, how do we allow Israelis the opportunity to make their own decisions without oversight or coercion?
     
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    #198
    LMAOOOOOOOOO
     
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    #199
    And US supports Saudi Arabia so indirectly US supports violence against Jews and provide funding for families for suicide bombers. Eh...
     
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    #200
    The problem with SA is that there is one thing that they say to Westerners and another thing they learn early on due to Islamic believes that Jews need to be put in their place. I don´t see the possibility of honest communication with Saudi Arabia.
     
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