US Supreme Court may deny "right to keep and bear arms"

I am so sick of people using gun rampages as a reason to take away 2nd ammendment rights. I will say it again it is a SMALL price to pay for freedom and upholding what our country was founded on.

When some old fart runs over and kills multiple people with his car, where are these same people screaming to ban cars? Cars at least are not a constitutional guarantee!

 

no guns means higher crime because cons and gangs will always have weapons and they have stock piles of them now and they would never be able to get them off the street. what that does is all the gangs can raid houses without having to worry about being shot is because guns would be illegal. guns don't kill people. stupid people kill people.

 

The gun rage in Omaha was accomplished with a stolen AK.. Kinda hard to have a gun law that prevents morons from stealing a gun and blowing people away..

 

ill say it again, guns don't kill people. stupid people kill people.

 

I hate the fact that Americans can't easily get automatic weapons like AKs and MP5s and MI6s. I mean, if the government becomes tyrannical, or we are invaded by an outside military, we are going to need a lot more than semi autos. I think American should be allowed to purchase RPGs so long as they don't have a criminal record.

Hell, I think you should be able to buy a tank or B2 stealth bomber if you want to.............after all, the second amendment didn't specify that guns were the only arms Americans could carry.

If I was Bill Gates, I would purchase a B2(I forgot it is classified so they won't sell it). Okay, I would buy a Predator Drone, F16, Abrahams Tanks, RPGs, and cruise missiles. Hell If I was Bill Gates, I would purchase an ICBM silo in my back yard!

I think Americans should be allowed to buy 50 caliber sniper rifles, and a stinger missile.

 

Nice to see you posting.. Have not seen man posts from you in a while..

Anyway, I am not sure where you live, but I can walk into a Gander Mountain and buy an AK, etc., any time I want.. Semi-auto's are not hard to come by.. It's the fully autos that are... I assume that is what you meant?

There's a fine selection of some nasty semi-autos at Gander Mountain.. A hell of a lot in fact. There are ways of making these things full auto

Actually I think you can buy these things.. I know you could buy a tank if you wanted to... But with gas prices, I'm not sure I would want one... Unless they have a hybrid.

 

Gee, and all along I've been led to believe that a SEMI automatic rather than a FULLY automatic is less lethal. What does a SEMI automatic weapon spit out paper? Mia you are a genius for pointing out the differences. Now I'm off to my "Gander Mountain" to get me a SEMI automatic AK since it seems to be less lethal.

 

My post was not intended to focus on the lethal nature of one type of fire arm over another.. I was simply pointing out that it was not difficult to purchase a sem-automatic weapon, assuming you have no criminal record.

Please read a bit slower next time...

 

Hey they've gone down here lately! But I did notice that the last few gas stations that had the 'good gas' went over to the reformulated crap!

 

Yeah, I saw a 30 cent drop in the last 2 weeks or so... Of course you have to get just outside of Lake Geneva to see an even larger difference... We tend to be 15 cents or more over the average.. I think it has something to do with the fact that all the tourists from the south come up here and are used to paying Chicago prices...

 

A weapon is a weapon, a bullet is a bullet. You can get killed as easily with a .22 as you can with a 50 cal. The fact that you can get one weapon easier than another does not make the problem less threatening. The underlying issue is with the accessibility people have to weapons in general not the fact that they are SEMI-automatic or FULLY-automatic. You should either ban all types of weapons or not ban them at all. A person that is going to kill will kill either way be that with a hand gun or an AK. It is people that kill, the weapons just makes it easier and faster to do so. Give people easier access to ALL types of weapons they are more prone to commit violent crimes, seems logical to me. Make it difficult to get your hands on a weapon and next time someone tries to rob a party store they'll either not do it or they'll use a screw driver.

 

Beating dead horse...

You are trying to make a point that I never intended to make.. Not sure where you got all of this out of my post, but you are wasting your time trying to make a counter point to a point I never made..

Might want to read from the beginning next time..

I'm not sure I understand the logic in your thoughts that easier access = more crimes, and less access = less crimes.. It is generally the other way around.

Most violent crimes appear to be committed by people who have no business owning a firearm in the first place. Most do not even own the firearm.
Most of these shootings appear to take place in a "no gun zone"...

At least in the case of this most recent shooting the security guard was not only packing, but knew how to fire his weapon.

 

I'm confused myself to be honest.

You take away guns for law obiding citizens and it'll only make it that much easier to buy them on the streets. Only the criminals will have them.

Even still, even if our muder rate was 100x what it is now via guns I would NOT support any restrictions on owning guns. Not a single one!

It is a small price to pay.

I honestly see a hypocrisy here and I'll come right out and say it.

On one end you have those who don't see the patriot act as a bad thing, they think giving up some freedoms for safety is 'ok' they usually will not admit to any freedoms being trampled on, this however logically was not the case, the supreme court even ruled as such.

However in the same breath, you have some of those people fighting against the patriot act, stating some dangers is ok as long as our freedoms are in tact, these same people fight for banning or restricting gun ownership to make us safer.

I say both sides are fucking nuts, you can't have it both ways, IMHO these are clear cases of having it both ways..

Now to the subject at hand, Mia is not against gun ownership and I am honestly confused as to what the point currently is.

 

If we want to avoid crimes we need to start asking ourselves why does someone commit them? It is much deeper and complex the the right to bear arms.

 

Ok I agree.

What is your view though, I may have missed it. Are you for restricting gun ownership on any level?

 

I could not agree more.. Just look at prohibition in the US in the 20's., or even the drug war...

Nor would I.

Not sure how we segwayed to the PA.. But for me, I guess I do not see the PA as a problem because I have yet to see a single freedom of any US citizen trampled on as a result of the PA.. I have yet to see a single person here answer my previous questions asking for one tiny example of any one single freedom they have lost personally as a result of the PA... So far no one has been able to do that.

If you are not doing anything wrong, what on earth do you have to worry about? I find seat belt laws (even though I wear one religiously) to be more intrusive on personal freedom than the Patriot Act.

Again, not sure what the PA really has to do with this.. I guess I am confused now.

True, you can't have it both ways...

My point was in response to Tesla's post that it is hard for a person to get an AK, M5, M16, etc... I responded by saying, no, it is not.. Anyone without a criminal record can walk into a Gander Mountain and buy these particular firearms, new or used..

 

No, not really. But I suspect there is a connections between crimes/criminals and violent video games, music, movies, drug use, dysfunctional upbringing, low self esteem, economical situation, lack of education. After all you take away the reasons of why one has to commit violent crimes and they will have no reason of why to do so, except the occasional mentally ill individual who will snap, an enraged lover and so on.

I also know that the past 4yrs I've seen a rise in violent crimes here in Miami, I wonder if it has to do with the fact that people have less money and less stability economically and are turning to drugs as an escape and because now they are high and stupid and they can buy a gun at the street corner for $50 are committing crimes.

 

Mia my post was not against you

As far as the patriot act, the reason I brought it up is there are those on the far side that believes the PA is not unconstitutional at all, just as there are those on the other side that think gun bans are not. Then there are people like me in the middle who believes both are unconstitutional.

As far as what freedoms the Patriot Act took away, just look at some of the supreme court decisions for your answer That is only the start. The constitution does not matter if it personally effects you or not. I do not own a gun, with that logic the 2nd ammendment would not matter to me one way or another as it personally would not effect me. That however is not the point, it is if ANY citizen is effected, not just you personally.

 

But the fact of the matter is, no citizen is affected... At least I have yet to see that be the case.

 

There were cases of citizens being effected That still is not the point, even if they did not use it against citizes 'which from my reading they have' simply giving them the power to is against the constitution.

Had the patriot act been written to specifically state it only effects non citizens, I would be for it and even be willing to see it strengthened. I however draw the line when it can be used against our citizens.

Even 'if' the current administration does not abuse the powers, just imagine someone coming into office with these powers that can be used against the citizens in the future. It is a recipe for disaster, a disaster the constitution was created to prevent.