Have you seen it? Or read it? I recommend watching it for the entire affect if you wish to not be part of the ignorant masses. This speech made history. It equals or surpasses (the latter, IMO) President Kennedy's speech on church and state. Also, consider reading this: What Iowans [or the entire country] should know about Mormons (Intelligent) thoughts?
not every one kneeks in pray and not every one prays.do they have a friend too? this is bad for him when and if he gets the nomination i think he is finished anyway . the christians have found one of their own. he could have done nothing to change their mind.
exactly! or maybe they pray to a different Almighty. Do they also have a friend and ally in mr. Romney?
I said intelligent thoughts; rationalizing with broad generalizations of an entire country is not an acceptable way to debate a point. There's no way in God's great universe that you can speak for every single person in those countries. Not everybody is there is agnostic. I guarantee it. Also, and I don't know of their history (never bothered to research it) - but I believe that SOMEBODY at some point in time must have cared about religion in order to institute its freedom! If you kneel in prayer, it's assumed you have true intent of praying. He's obviously not being literal there, (though he could be, but for the purposes of conversation here we will accept) but I think he means that anyone who prays with true desire is his friend/ally. And I don't see where he's excluding anyone. He didn't say that everyone who DOESN'T isn't a friend. Where did he say that everyone who DOESN'T doesn't have any friends? At this point I think you're just trying to pick him apart because you have no stable grounds for disliking his candidacy or religion... but if you REALLY wanted to do that, then pick more apart than just one phrase, and at least do a thorough job of it Sure. If you think about it, each main religion (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) generally pray to the same God: the one who created us all. They have different beliefs about this God, but we can accept that it is the same one, because there can only be one that created us all (according to each of those 3 religions). Mitt Romney doesn't discriminate or "not be friends with" religions that don't believe in "his" God, and he specifically said this in his speech. I think it's acceptable to say that Mitt Romney is a very stable candidate, "despite" (if you must) - or IMO - BECAUSE of - his Mormon faith.
this was an attempt by him to clearify his position on religion. i am sure he thought carefully about every word and i must accept what he said as what he feels. ofcourse i do not like his position on religion and that is the point i am trying to make here. by the way kneeling has nothing to do with intent.
I didn't like it. "Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom" What kind of BS was that? So I can't be a good American unless i go to Church? "I will take care to separate the affairs of government, from any religion, but I will not separate us from the God who gave us liberty." WTF? Seriously dude, I realize you are LDS and Romney is LDS, but this guy will pander to anyone, anytime, for any reason. That speech wasn't about being Mormon, it was about trying to steal the Christian Right back from Huckabee. Don't get played like a fool.
Good to see you back, chulium! I like Romney, I have from the beginning. I'm not particularly thrilled with the dirt he's throwing at my candidate (Huckabee), but politics is politics. So far, Huckabee has chosen not to play on the dirty side of things. If Romney gets the nomination, I'd have no problem voting for him. I understand why he made the speech and I believe it clarified his position and could ease some tensions. That he is Mormon has never been, nor will it ever be an issue for me. I've known too many LDS members in my life. Honor, integrity, family values, friendly, kind are just a few words that come to mind.
This was without a doubt one of the best speeches that I have seen. I already planned on voting for Romney, if I had the time I would volunteer for his campaign. Best of luck
The effort you put forth in an act can show how much you care about it; it's that simple. Kneeling prayers are more humble and submissive than prayers said "en passant" or just on a whim. Not that those prayers are BAD, but prayers while kneeling are necessary once in a while. (Daily, anyone?) So yes, kneeling DOES have to do with intent. No. What part of my last post did you not understand? I'm glad you have an open mind about things... what do you not understand? Do you know English? If not I can translate for you: just tell me which intelligent language you understand best, if any. What the heck are you talking about :???: You're not making any logical sense... what you're saying seems to be random. Like monkeys in front of a typewriter. Thanks, but I already try to avoid your kind. Thanks, GTech. Good to see you here. Huckabee's not that bad (although, "President Huckabee?" Could you imagine the dirt that some would throw at that?) but I don't think he has the funds to fuel it all the way to the general elections... we'll see. Yep... though I think that Romney is taking more of a hit because of his faith than JFK did. I just don't think it's right that American people (that like to THINK themselves as American) need to make a candidate defend his religion.
I don't really like romney that much. It has nothing to do with his religion. I don't like how he strapped an irish setter in a carrier to the top of his car and drove 12 hours. Then he acts like it is a big joke. As a dog lover, I am not laughing. Then I have read he is dishonest. Something about earlier pretending he was pro-choice to get votes. Then saying he was never pro-choice but was faking it? Then he speaks to gun enthusiasts and brags to them about being a life long hunter. Then later admits he has only been hunting twice in his life? I was searching more on the Internet and found this... 12 reasons why mitt romney sucks There are probably worse politicians than him. But he is not looking to good. If he gets nominated as choice for republican party, I will not even bother voting. Politicians like that are a dime a dozen and we have enough of the same already. I would only bother voting for someone that is truly exceptional.
thank you for ilustrating my point.i see this as a very uninviting message for the people that don't share yours/his view about god and religion.
its 2007 and people are still letting other people control their actions through talk of invisible people and fairy tales. wow
you do realise there are more than three "main religions" , right? How about budhists or hindus or pagans or satanists. Would they also have a friend in Mr. Romney? alex jones is one of the "invisible people" or a fairy tale?
Duh. It's just that they're not as prominent in our country. And of course they would. That's the POINT of his speech, geez. Did you read it?
IMHO, the American electorate has swung too far into Religeous considerations. Kennedy's speech in 1960 was important, I suppose, as there had been no Catholic President's, virtually no Catholic candidates over the history of the nation. He emphasized that Church leaders wouldn't determine his decisions. And that was that. In 1968, Romney's father ran in primaries as a Republican. His religeon was not an issue. At some point, as a reaction to cultural changes in the US; regligion and specifically fundamentalist Christian issues became important in Politics. Over years the power of the fundamentalist voting bloc got to be more important and specifically became important within the Republican party. In the last few elections Religious leaders were specifically telling their members whom to vote for. The injection of religion into politics has swung to an offensive level, IMHO. It's too bad Romney even felt the need to give that speech. On face value, if I were interested in a candidate who seemed to promote strength in family that reflected strong religeous values I'd see Romney as a far stronger candidate than Giulani, in that regard. Religious injection into campaigns has gone too far IMHO.
Did you read it? You can't have freedom without religion. That's what he said. Kennedy's speech was legendary because he talked about his catholicism, and separation. Romney avoided talking about Mormonism, and talked about integration of church and state.
Okay, A) Romney's speech was not about Mormonism, it was about "Faith in America" (hence the title...!), B) Where did he say he would integrate church and state, C) Kennedy's speech not much different from Romney's: distinction between church and state and talked about his "Mormon" (LDS) values, and D) Name one instance of freedom like this without religion -without faith in any type entity.