how long to get ranked on 1st page in google for keyword: office supplies

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by mrhodus, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. ruffnat

    ruffnat Peon

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    #21
    newer sites that seo their way to the first page of a competitive term can often see themselves plummet in the rankings overnight when they get hand penalized for any number of reasons by google
     
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  2. bestsoftworks

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    #22
    How many pages are returned when you search on your term though? In my field it's over 70,000,000 in some keywords. Getting to #15 in 1 year in that market would be tough if there's real competition for those keywords. In my market, for example, I am competing against people like livelinks, tangopersonals and megamates. They've got the bucks and traffic that I don't have.
     
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    #23

    Ok for the term Search Optimization, 80,000,000 pages and about 7th place.
     
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    Drabdcesign Peon

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    #24
    The first content was for optimizing web pages, before I grew up about 4 months ago to realise that Search Engine Optimization was all I needed.

    I have set it up as UK based, hence higher on google.co.uk, it is about 50th for Google.com

    It appears that using an S or a Z does make a little difference over here, though more people search for the term with the Z now. Perhaps we are becoming more Americanised? But I am top 40 with the term with a S on my page just ones and in brackets.
     
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  5. bestsoftworks

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    #25
    7th place with 80M is a great position. That's better than I've done so far. I'm #9 in a few of my keywords. Anywhere on the first page or two is great. I am lucky in my niche as there are others that rank higher but they don't sell a product -- they sell a service. So I'm not competing with them but my customers still have to look past their listings.
     
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  6. 3dPrinting

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    #26
    Anyone can rank high for any keyword(s) if only they know how. I don't care how much competition people think there is because the truth of the matter is, there's hardly any competition.

    Here's what you do:

    Google your keyword and click Preferences. Scroll down 'Preferences' to 'Numbers of Results'. Add 100 and 'Save Preferences'.

    Google your keyword again and click 'Search'. Now scroll down to bottom and click on the number '10' - (The number on the side of Next).

    Now scroll to the bottom and it should read:

    In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 834 already displayed.
    If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.


    The red numbers are your real competition. :)

    PM me if you want to know how to get there on first page.
     
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  7. bestsoftworks

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    #27
    I saw you were #10 for "Pay Per Play". The link in your signature has 20 backlinks according to xinureturns.com.

    "Pay Per Play" is not a very competitive word. It has 43,100 pages matching that exact phrase.

    That link has no PR.

    The site is not SEO optimized. There is no description, keywords, etc. in the header.

    I honestly cannot see where you are qualified to talk about competition when your site doesn't perform in a competitive market. There's hardly any competition in your market -- that's not true for many others. Of course anyone can rank high if there's little competition.

    In my market, for example, there are some very big players that rank in the top 10 and they control positions 1-6 very solidly. They are companies like megamates, livelinks, tangopersonals, about.com, etc. A site such as mine is not going to rank higher than them. They have a lot of "juice" in google and have very high PR's. That I can rank in the top 10-12 for that category is an example of the power of SEO. My site is highly SEO optimized for several keywords. It's still a struggle to get any higher in the rankings. I tweek it nearly every day based on the way google is seeing my sitemap and how they show a preference to certain types of formatting.
     
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  8. bestsoftworks

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    #28
    Another example is what happened today. I've been working on a 2 word keyword phrase for a while. I was ranking around #300 for a while. I just started working on this phrase lately. Google rewarded me today by putting me into #44. That makes me happy because for this competitive phrase, I have a good chance of being seen even on page 4. Google is so unpredictable at times. It's very difficult to figure out what makes it happy. I've found a lot of trial and error is necessary.
     
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  9. 3dPrinting

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    #29
    I wasn't talking about my NEW site. In fact, I'm running a test on it so that site has not been touched yet.

    I know exactly what I speak because I was taught by some of the best in the industry.

    Now what I've described in my top post is true and yes, you may have competition but everyone thinks those numbers that are in the millions are their competition when its not so. Follow my instructions and you will see your real competitions.

    And it's not all about keywords but relevant content. Give the search engines what they want and you'll see your site ranking high.
     
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  10. gotlinks

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    #30
    It really depends on what you do, its a big term....

    You would be better off going with terms like

    Desk Office Supplies

    and such...
     
    gotlinks, Dec 12, 2007 IP
  11. lee_vhoi_ol

    lee_vhoi_ol Well-Known Member

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    #31
    Not only filters, it could penalize you for keyword spamming.

    Write your content as you would write for your human customers. If people like them, they will link to you. Quality content makes for good SEO--getting natural backlinks!
     
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    #32
    Without keywords, google would have no idea what's relevant -- unless through keyword density as words, phrases are re-used on your page.

    Your competition is anyone that ranks higher than you for the exact keyword phrase you are doing SEO for. The supplemental results you are talking about are from the sites above you (and below you) in the main list. I have several supplemental results for my site. Sometimes google lists them in the main results too. It changes day by day.

    All google is doing by having the supplemental results withheld from the main search is keeping the list shorter. Some of my competitors have 5-6 supplemental results. 1-2 items in the main google search results per site in the same general ranking area is plenty. That's why they do that.
     
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    #33
    Only two words .... Theme density.
     
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  14. bestsoftworks

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    #34
    "Theme density" and "seo" google results -- 827

    "Keyword density" and "seo" google results -- over 1.3 million

    Looks like it hasn't caught on yet.
     
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    #36
    its hard, since you are competing with every one to get that top rank
    just keep doing the keyword optimization, you will get there one day
     
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  17. SlingshotSEO

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    #37
    Our firm could do it. Development would be close to six figures for a project like that with some substantial monthly link building. Knowledge is power. No phrase or term is too competitive if you have the budget for it and you are working with the right firm. If any of our clients do not rank for a term or phrase is because they didn't have the budget, desire or the website is too new. I would imagine it might realistically take 6 to 12 months to rank on page 1 of Google for 'Office Supplies' with the right budget.
     
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  18. mitdrissia

    mitdrissia Well-Known Member

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    #38
    It's all about offpage and onpage factors.

    offpage: everything that has to do with the website itself.

    -keyword research
    - keyword density in content like h1, title ,meta description
    -unique content (update once a week)


    onpage: Everything that has to do with finding backlinks for your site.

    - find relevant backlinks
    - social bookmarking,
    -writing unique articles and submitting them to article sites
    - blog commenting on high pr relevant sites with your name as keyword/anchor text
    - vary you anchor text when you generate backlinks. don't always use same anchor text.
    - signature in forum posts, use your anchor text here that links to your specified urlpage.
    - create profile pages and add your anchor text.



    And there are many more factors.

    I researched your keyword:

    office supplies is very difficult to rank for. Its possible to get in top 10 but after that it would be hard work.
    I can suggest you other keywords that have less searches.
     
    mitdrissia, Oct 12, 2010 IP