Not sure how #33 helps your point. I am also unclear as to what your point now is. Is it that we should all switch to vegetarianism, avoid industrial meat production products, avoid foie gras? - if you could clarify your concerns, it might help direct our dialogue. I hate industrial meat. It is foul, generally. As a chef, this is why I rely on ranchers I know and work with individually.
You say hate industrial meat. So you do see my point. Reason #33 is a classic example of what's disgusting about industrialized meat production sometimes. I'm sticking to one topic. But as you probably know the articles you read online won't always stick to one topic like "Pork". So you have to do the extra work of mental filtering yourself. Anyway, let's keep it civil. Reason #33 mentioned industrial Pork, which most people eat. Facts are not propaganda.
I'll eat pork over horse, camel, donkey and rodents like rabbit. Doesn't get much better than serrano ham
Marcel, you indicated an article "about pork" that didn't have the word "pork" mentioned in it a single time, and in fact was entirely about beef. Then you said, "It's not all about Pork," when it wasn't about pork at all. Can't get any clearer that there wasn't anything about pork in an article you indicated was about pork. That was propaganda, in my mind. Your cite #33 is common to all meat production. If you eat meat, you are eating sentient things, and what you cite is common to all animal husbandry. I am still asking what your issue is. Is it pork? Industrial meat? Meat in general?
You previously said you hate industrial meat. Now your saying Reason #33 is normal. Anyway, thank you for keeping reason #33 in the spotlight for so long . I'm not interested in having a argument over pork or meat. You can continue that on your own. I'm just here to have fun. Apparently your not. If you want to discuss pork and beef further, I suggest you sent comments to these blog posts: Pork http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=pork Beef http://search.mercola.com/Results.aspx?q=beef P.S. Sorry but to read some of the articles, you will have to subscribe to the newsletter. It's not my website.
That something is common to all animal husbandry doesn't indicate one's preference for or against the consumption of animal flesh. Apparently this, too, eluded you. Apparently. A lot of time could have been spared had you been up front to begin with, namely, that you had no point.
You need to relax. You are reading and not understanding what your seeing. I did say that the content was not only about Pork in one instance. My last link was entitled "This is amazing 101 Reasons Why I'm a Vegetarian (2007)" What's misleading here. Pork is meat. If you abstain from meat you abstain from Pork. Dude, your not the only one who knows about artificial insemination and animal husbandry. There are several artificial insemination methods. But Reason #33 is a rather disgusting method. Yet you say Reason #33 is common and normal ? Really ? Why dont you tell us what Reason #33 is called. There is a reason why I never refer to it be name. Any child would understand that my simple point is "Don't eat Pork". Maybe I needed to simplify it for you. I shared a few facts and pictures. Some people liked them. I am sure my information will help a lot of people eat less Pork. You say I have no point. But yesterday you shows us a a picture of meat that was not even pork and you showed us pork recipies. You knew your content was off topic, yet you posted it. Not that I mind or care. Let's end this now... I'm going to continue posting reasons not to eat Pork. You can continue to post fake Pork pictures and recipies.
Do you not see how ridiculous these two quotes are, relating them as you do? Why would an article about beef and what the USDA allows have any impact - in your words, "reasons not to" eat pork? It has nothing to do with pork, You wish to make an argument against pork, but use information that is wholly unrelated to pork to make it. Then cry when the fallacy is pointed out. Personally, I don't really give a damn whether you, or anyone else, eats pork or not. I cook it, and I eat it, along with millions of others, but I am not on the Pork Advisory council. I do, however, loathe campaigns based on misinformation, guided by an ossified agenda that cares very little for intellectual honesty. And by your own admission, this is what you are doing.
Misinformation... ossified agenda. campaigns, very little intellectual honesty. lol . Who is misinformed here...You the the Chef who needs a propaganda press release to prove his point ? Or the me, the guy who posted articles from impartial journalists, a respected doctor (mercola.com) and a blogger. I'm not condemning you for eating pork. By all means go ahead. But don't be mad at me when I share my details against meat and pork.
The USDA stands for "United States Department of Agriculture". So they set the standard for all meats. And very low too Techniques and standards used in Beef, pig and chicken farming are modified and transfered to each other. You say my information is propaganda. But I could bury you if you wanted to argue health facts about pork and meat. Anyway, enjoy your Pork.
Hi ... Marvin Harris, the anthropologist, explains this is a small book, "Witches, Warlocks ...," I think. He also writes about the culling of cows and so forth. If you're a dyed-in-the-wool religious believer, which is okay, you likely won't get what Harris writes. Otherwise, he makes 99.9% sense. Good luck.
I like pork. Pork chops, baby back ribs, loin, sausage, even that rare New Jersey product - pork roll... (I stop short of pickled pigs feet, pig's head, and fried pig skin). But, that being said I too am growing more and more weary and wary of industrialized meat. Today in the local paper we read that a plant in Iowa, I believe, has had a number of workers come down with a rare brain desease. It seems they use compressed air to push the pig's brain out of it's head. As a result of this practice two doctor's have found that their debilitating symptoms, such as numbness and weakness in the joints and muscles, dizzyness, blurred vision even, are a likely result of the brains turning into a mist which the workers then inhale, breathing raw pig brains into their lungs... The whole thing is an insult to God's blessed gift of animals for meat.
I'm no longer a chef, and as I said, I don't care what anybody eats. When I was a chef, it wasn't like we were a pork restaurant - lots of Islamic and Jewish patrons (physicians, mostly), lots for them to eat, and I didn't care one iota, so long as my guests were happy. I have zero agenda, truly. I do object to using misinformation to make a point. Maybe I missed something - -You linked to a series of photographs that show what meat is made of; whether beef, pork, poultry or fish, you are consuming flesh. One of the reasons I wanted my cooks to get used to butchering. To take responsibility for the fact we were serving once living animals, not some nice little package under plastic wrap. One of the reasons I worked with only known farmers and ranchers, because I believe it is important that if we choose to eat animals, the animals we eat should be raised, and killed, as humanely as possible. My antipathy towards industrial meat production has nothing to do with pork v. other meats, it is industrial production v. heirloom ranching. You conflated this debate with your own particular one on pork, and this was disingenuous. -You linked to an article about beef purporting it to be about pork. Then, when it was pointed out it was not about pork, you said the article wasn't only about pork, until it was pointed out again that the article you linked to was nothing about pork. You grew strangely quiet on this point and moved to another on animal husbandry. Again, disingenous; -You link to a supposed physician, posting supposedly "credible information." Beyond the fact that by your own admission, you have to register with this site to gain the much-valued information you link to, the site you linked to, mercola.com, is a commercial clearinghouse for a guy outed as an apparent quack: http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html - Your famed animal husbandry info - the infamous #33 - indicates: "Bestiality is integral to pork, turkey, and dairy operations." Additionally, this was from a vegetarian web site. Hence, not only was I confused whether you have a problem with: - industrial meat production in general; -with pork; -or with meat, in general, and you were advocating vegetarianism. On the heels of which were all questions I asked, in order to clarify your concern. You answered none, resorting to personal insult. Which brings us back to the originating point. If your problem is with pork, why all the info that has nothing to do with pork? If you wish to make a convincing argument, please provide a credible source that indicates the pork of today is somehow a class apart from other meat products.
Just saw this post. "Bury away," but you'd be preaching to the converted. Meat, especially in the quantities we eat it in the U.S., is horrible for you.
Those people were trying to help those in need of food! If somebody decides they don't want to eat it because of religious reasons then they should start working to pay for their own food! Pork is cheaper than most kinds of meat/fish. They should be happy that they're being offered it to begin with.. On-topic: no idea why they consider it unclean..
I refuse to eat pork. Mainly because pigs are beautiful and intelligent animals. I love pigs. I refuse to eat any meat or fish whatsoever. While I won't eat it myself, my dog loves to eat meat. I do not trust commercial dog food. So even though I am a vegetarian, I cook chicken frequently for CoCo.
If I were you I would not call Mercola a quack... We are talking about our likes and dislikes about Pork, instead you want to argue about petty issues which lead us no where but toward arguments. Why are you wasting our time on petty little issues ? Just tell us you like Pork and that will be fine. Pork is multiple times nastier than Beef. I already explained that farming techniques are interchanged and copied from industry to industry. I also mentioned that USDA standards are low. If they are low in cattle rearing you can expect worse situations with nastier pork rearing. Do you see a correlation now ? If you don't see it, I don't have the time to explain it any further. Where you find feces, you will find E.coli, ulcer causing bacteria and worms. Even if it's just water we are talking about. My point has always been that Pork is just nasty and unhealthy. What is your convincing argument ? Saying "It's all good ". Showing us recipes ? Saying you will eat it anyway ? Pork is nasty and had a tendency to be worm and bacteria infected. As far as I know your the one with a position to defend. Prove to us that is ok to eat without showing a press release or article that looks purchased. Why don't you how us that Pigs are healthier than chicken breast or fish ? Why don't you show us that Pigs are healthy to eat at all ? A Pig is a Pig. It's unhealthy to eat even if you call it "pork of today". If your looking for a silver bullet answer, your looking in the wrong direction. There is much more to living a healthy life than just eating Pork or not eating meat. You don't seem to understand that yet. Instead you want to argue about petty specific details and compare a Pork to beef. I'll do you a favor.... Start your journey here: Longevity, The Secrets of Long Life It's National Geographic Please don't waste any more of my time with petty little issues. And here is a research paper to digest. It said nothing new though. It just says pigs are nasty and may be tainted with feces.
Why is it considered unclean. Well someone wrote it down and it is unclean or you may say God says so But I say. Thank God we have swines and pork ! Really tasty and good.
OK, I provide facts, you provide opinion. This is the source of your argument. Dr. Mercola has been indicted countless times for fraudulent advertising over false claims. This is the "credible doctor source" you asked us all to believe when posting information. I will reiterate I don't care about likes or dislikes - please, feel free to eat what you want to. But merely saying: Doesn't prove anything. Relying on commercial meat practices in beef doesn't prove anything, for two reasons: -Your theory of "cross-techniques" for all breeds isn't true; there are rules in place for each breed; -All industrial meat production is disgusting (though getting better). I have repeatedly said I eschew it in favor of known farmers and ranchers. -Pork is nowhere as healthy as meats in lower cholesterol, trans-fats, etc. Although I must say commercial breeding has done everything it can to remove these harmful components, which is why you have commercial pork that tastes like cardboard. Kurobota or Berkshire pork is pork as it's meant to be. Free of your "nastiness," in the way of all "industrial" deleterious components, but juicy, flavorful, and fatty as hell. As is beef. As is lamb. As I have said throughout, meat is bad for you. Just curious - but you are aware that heirloom pigs, like all heirloom animals - are raised free range, and do not consume anything other than top-level, natural feed? (Actually, nothing new - this is traditional pork rearing. It was only the advent of industrial production that pork, and all animals, were turned into factory output). One example: http://www.packingtonpork.com/product.php And this is the only way I know among the ranchers I worked with. As to wasting time - are you a victim? I am not wasting your time. If you don't wish to engage, avoid typing; most especially, avoid misinformation that is then corrected.