LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - Mike Huckabee once advocated isolating AIDS patients from the general public, opposed increased federal funding in the search for a cure and said homosexuality could "pose a dangerous public health risk." Besides a quarantine, Huckabee suggested that Hollywood celebrities fund AIDS research from their own pockets, rather than federal health agencies. Source: Yahoo news Ut oh looks like Huckabee needs to do some research on how aids spreads. I learned it in my 4th grade health class. How anyone can seriously consider this man a presidential candidate is beyond me
Good God! Where the hell do these candidates come from. Can't there be smarter people out there better then this guy that want to seek the presidency? Oh wait Ron Paul!
Eagerly awaiting Gtech to debunk each claim made in this article: Political Inquirer - Mike Huckabee: The Facts Behind the Fraud I'm sure you can clear Huckabee's name Gtech, since he's such an honest guy and all. Maybe you can write your own little article :-* The Arkansas Leader has also exposed that Huckabee has pardoned more people than the six states that neighbor Arkansas combined. Most governors do not do this type of thing with murderer’s serving life without parole, or with rapists, but it seems it was habit for Huckabee during his term as governor. He has issued over 700 pardons since he came into office in 1996. Here are the numbers of the neighboring states during the same time, keep in mind their populations are also larger: Louisiana – 213. Mississippi – 24. Missouri – 79. Oklahoma – 178. Tennessee – 32. Texas – 98
A lot has changed between 1992 and 2001, when you were in 4th grade. I suspect you were probably breast feeding back then. Doesn't surprise me. I've often pointed out how young angry white males with low IQs are lazy. They copy/paste something from some source and expect others to debunk it to their satisfaction. Lazy. There is nothing to debunk. Look at how many aids victims there are today. Perhaps if that had taken place back then, it wouldn't be so far spread. Make you a deal. You debunk each claim made in this article, one by one, and I'll continue to address the non-issue. Fair enough?
Guys, lay off Huckabee please. He'll thrive or perish based on his merits. Already been done, you really need some new material. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5492029&postcount=74 `
Owned. Well as of now he's a front runner and that's pretty scary. Yea cause we all know immigration, national security, taxes, pardons, complaints, and w/e else in my link is a "non issue". I guess the only "issue" to certain people is if the man believes in an invisible magical creature in the sky. Sad. In no other instance can people: devote their life to something that doesn't exist, talk to something that doesn't exist, hear and feel things that don't exist and not be called crazy. Except religion.
I'm sure this is a confusing issue for the rebumlicans (Google it ) who may on the one hand find themselves quarantined one day. In the mean time, I suppose they will like this as a form of protection. After all anonymous bathroom sex would theoretically be safer if you could quarantine those with HIV.
Not quite. In 1996, Paul actually owned up to his comments and defended them. Just saying it's a ghost writer and linking to lew rockwell (of all places, heh!) doesn't discount that Paul defended his comments. Not owned, but not surprised you would take the lazy way out. I can understand that. If your candidate was the front runner, I'd find it pretty scary too. Some, in fact were non-issues. Some, were just dishonest hit pieces. For example, he didn't pardon anyone. However, he can't control dishonest people. His immigration policy is sound. He doesn't just vote no on immigration issues, he has a real plan. He's cut taxes where possible, and was forced to raise taxes by the Arkansas Supreme Court. He left Arkansas with a 850 million surplus that he wanted to give back in tax cuts. I've addressed the ethics complains previously, noting (with source) that an independent investigation found no cause for ethics violations: a vote of 4-0. The hypocrisy of this statement is, of course, that your candidate is a Christian as well. Says a lot about you, as a person and who you vote for, to hold one candidate in contempt for his beliefs, while your own candidate is a Christian as well. Based on this statement, you shouldn't be voting for ron paul. Based on this statement, you probably couldn't find much of any candidate to vote for. Now would be the proper time and context to use the word that failed you early on....OWNED Have a nice weekend!
Here are some interesting questions the guy from worldnetdaily.com wasn't allowed to ask at a briefing of the White House: "The Media Research Center – with the Centers for Disease Control's statistics that HIV/AIDS in the U.S. is still a great deal higher among men who have sex with men. Then should any AIDS officials be claiming that all Americans are equally at risk?" "In major cities like Washington, Chicago and San Francisco, there are reports that gay bathhouses facilitate promiscuous sex that fuels the AIDS epidemics are being allowed to reopen. What is the White House reaction to that recent report?" "Here are some questions that the media probably won't ask the professional HIV/AIDS lobby, which grows ever fatter while the human tragedy rises:" he wrote. "What have American taxpayers gotten for the $20 billion per year (and rising) government spending on HIV/AIDS?" "What has happened to the more than half a billion condoms that the United States taxpayers have distributed to Third World countries during the past seven years, even while the media have attacked the Bush Administration's emphasis on abstinence?" "Federal funding for HIV/AIDS has increased dramatically every year since 1993, yet the number of new infections has not declined. Why do we spend more money every year on prevention programs that have failed to prevent new infections?" "Why do billions of dollars continue to flow to organizations and programs that have been a colossal failure by any yardstick?" "Why does the government spend far more on AIDS than cancer or heart disease, which each kill more than 10 times more people annually in the U.S.?" "With CDC statistics showing that HIV/AIDS in the United States is still astronomically higher among men who have sex with men (MSM), why are AIDS officials getting away with saying all Americans are equally at risk?" It's questions like these that make me take the conservatives' side. Go Huck (even though my favorite remains long shot Tom Tancredo).
I posted the excerpt from Texas Monthly. You can go to archive.org and look up the Oct 2001 issue, and read the article for yourself. Again, this has been addressed. My candidate is willing to take moral responsibility for his actions or areas of responsibility. And you might want to drop this altogether, considering I don't want to get into a swiftboat war, and your candidate has had a rough week with new evidence released.
June 1996 Steve Dunleavy article: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?threadid=111268 A TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE (HOW GOV. CLINTON DENIED AN INNOCENT MAN HIS FREEDOM) New York Post by Steve Dunleavy The bombshell Whitewater convictions that my be President Clinton's darkest hour gave a middle-aged Arkansas housewife her brightest moment. "Now that the Clinton people are going to jail, maybe my husband will finally go free," Mary Lou Dumond told me in Little Rock. Her husband, Wayne Dumond, 49, has just spent his 11th year in an Arkansas jail. Many say that Dumond is the victim of one of the most bone-crunching and infuriating examples of Clinton-clan justice the country has ever seen. And now, because Clinton's alleged bagman, Gov. Jimmy Guy Tucker, is going to jail, Dumond is set to see freedom. "The new governor, Mike Huckabee, has assured me Wayne will be a free man," Mrs. Dumond said Thursday. "He is not one of the Clinton crowd. He is a very fair man. He has always been disturbed about the way the Clinton people never wanted my husband free," she added. And there was a very good reason for the Clinton people not wanting her husband to go free. THE CHARGES The story of Wayne Dumond is not for the innocent eyes of the young - but every adult of voting age should read closely. These are the cold facts as an Arkansas court saw it: - A 17-year-old girl says she was kidnapped and raped on Sept. 11, 1984, in Forrest City, Ark. - Dumond, father of six, Vietnam veteran, churchgoer, was convicted in August 1985 of the rape. - He was sentenced to life PLUS 20 years. - An appeal by Dumond, under Gov. Clinton, got a response of: "No merit." What the public did not see, while Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, were the following very unpretty facts - which Clinton, despite countless personal appeals, ignored: - A genetic expert stated unequivocally that sperm found on the girl's jeans COULD NOT "IN A MILLION YEARS" belong to Dumond. - The victim identified two other men as her rapist but they had ironclad alibis and were set free. - She failed to pick out Dumond as her rapist when presented with a lineup. But now the clincher: - The father of the girl is a millionaire and one of Clinton's biggest contributors. But guess what? The girl is Bill Clinton's cousin. And her mother worked as part of Clinton's inner circle when he was governor. The worst was yet to come. THE HORROR On March 7, 1985, while Dumond was awaiting trial, two masked men with guns and knives burst into his house. They hog-tied him. They raped him. And then, with surgical scalpels, they castrated him. [Now get this] The two monsters ACTED ON ORDERS OF LOCAL SHERIFF COOLIDGE CONLEE! The sheriff retrieved Dumond's testicles from Dumond's blood- spattered house. The sheriff then placed the body parts in a jar that he displayed on his desk with the admonition: "That's what happens to people who fool around in my county." The sheriff actually took that jar to "a good-ol'-boys wedding." That is a fact. No reaction whatsoever from Gov. Clinton. [Now hold on to your seat for this] The sheriff - who didn't tolerate any "fooling around" in his county - would later be nabbed by the FBI for extortion and drug-dealing and sentenced to 160 years in jail, where he died of natural causes. Dumond's attackers were never picked up even though ONE OF THEM CONFESSED TO A STATE COP! All this and Dumond still rotted away in prison. And Clinton, both as governor and president, ignored facts that surrounded the case of the rape of his cousin. "Bitter? Hell yes, I was, at first," Dumond told me from prison at Varner in Arkansas. But now, I think, I hope, things will change around. With Jimmy Guy Tucker gone as governor, one of Clinton's men, and Mr. Clinton running for cover, maybe the new man will have another look. "But strange as it may seem, it hasn't been all that bad these days. I have gotten a very good education in here. I think I am becoming a computer nut [wait until he discovers this BB]. I just miss my family, so much. "That girl? Well it's pretty ridiculous. Sad, but ridiculous. "She told the police that a man in a new red pickup truck, with no tailgate, drove to her house, burst in, forced her into her car, drove in her car to some woods, tied her up, committed a pretty terrible act, drove her back in her car and took off in her car and dumped it nearby. "Well, I drove a very old dirty brown pickup with a tailgate. Now, if I took her car, what happened to the pickup I drove to her house in? "She changed her story, how many times? I mean many times. [Well we know one thing, she sure had to be related to Clinton - changing one's story must run in the family.] "She was with this guy driving through town and suddenly, out of nowhere, months after, she saw me driving my old pickup truck. She told the guy out of nowhere: 'That's the man that did it.' She said I had raped her. "When it came to the lineup, she couldn't identify me. Suddenly she disappears into a room with her father and a cop who showed here a picture of me. She came out and immediately identified me." THE CONVICTION The outrageous identifying scam was exposed by a local cop who witnessed it all. Deputy Sheriff Henry Leary had the guts to go against his own and told the world of the scenario. Dumond was still convicted. "Oh yeah," Dumond told me, "she identified two other guys who were the rapists. They had an ironclad alibi. Then it came to me." Dumond was still convicted. Gov. Clinton remained silent. But of course at that time nobody knew that the girl was Clinton's cousin. The governor didn't mention it. After 4.5 years, with his freedom gone, his manhood gone, a five-person parole board recommended that Dumond go free for time served. John R. Steer, managing editor of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, records the following reaction from then-Gov. Clinton: "Clinton had a romping, stomping fit. The victim was a distant cousin and St. Francis County [where this all took place] had a lot of votes and he deeply resented the pressure to free Dumond." Clinton refused to sign a release. And Dumond rotted. Dumond has since been before the parole board twice. "They ask me: 'Do you have any remorse?' Well, I tell them straight. How can I have remorse for something I didn't do? "No sir, I will stay here until I die before I say I am sorry for something I haven't done." The day of the castration is not something that should be dealt with in detail [in a family newspaper]. "My two boys, Michael and Joey, found me there after coming home from school. They cut me loose and got help." he said. "Sure I remember it, but do you really want to know the details?" Dumond's life was miraculously saved after he lost three-quarters of his blood. As he lay near death, Sheriff Coolidge Conlee displayed Dumond's testicles in a jar. Still no reaction from Gov. Clinton. THE HOPE The Dumonds later won a lawsuit "of outrage." They cleared just $20,000 from the settlement. This money came in handy however, because someone burned down the Dumond house when the couple were in hiding from vigilantes. No insurance was paid on the home. Can this story get worse? "Sometimes," said Mrs. Dumond, "I just want to give up. But now, who knows? The new governor has personally assured me that Wayne's case will be the first thing on his desk, after he clears up everything from this Whitewater thing." Dwayne Harris, a spokesman for Huckabee, the Republican lieutenant governor who will succeed Democrat Tucker, told me Friday that Huckabee "has voiced a very special intention to thoroughly review the case of Wayne Dumond." "I hope so," Dr. Moses Schanfield told me Friday. "This case was a disgrace." Schanfield heads the Analytic Genetic Testing Center in Denver. He was one of the experts dispatched to Bosnia to examine and identify graves after the civil war there. He did an independent Allotyping test of sperm of the alleged victim's jeans, which supposedly came from Dumond. "No way, zip, nada. Didn't happen. No way Dumond was the donor of that sperm," Schanfield said. "The girl's scenario of the so-called crime couldn't have happened. I didn't believe anything she said." WHY IT HAPPENED Fred Odam, a retired Arkansas State Police captain told me "This was and still is a very bad day for justice." Odam witnessed Sheriff Conlee retrieving Dumond's testicles and later investigated the sheriff for the FBI. "I have been working to get that boy Dumond free for a long time. In all my time this is the one case when I know a man is not guilty." What was the crazed motive behind this disgusting affair? Why Dumond? Gene Wirges, a fiesty 67-year-old publisher of a local weekly who is writing a book on this mess, told me: "Well, a Clinton kin had to be revenged. The sheriff was on a hot seat and young Wayne had been talking to a church group about how cars were suddenly disappearing. "It turned out to be true. The sheriff along with his drugs, and turning the sheriff's department into a casino was heading up a car-theft ring. "When this girl said she was raped, the sheriff wanted to help out the Clinton clan [so that they might look the other way with respect to his illegal doings]. He would do anything for the girl's father and mother. "The truth, the terrible truth is, that one of the guys she first identified as the rapist but who had an ironclad alibi had been going out with the girl. "But the new governor has indicated to me on several occasions that he was more than disturbed about Wayne's case and the way Clinton and his boys handled this terrible thing. "You know, this is Arkansas. Right up until now this has been Clinton territory. Maybe not anymore."
There's one problem GTech, Dumond raped and murdered when he was released. That Steve Dunleavy article is a legendary Clinton hit piece. And Dunleavy was wrong, and it cost at least one, perhaps two women their lives upon Dumond's release. One women was confirmed raped and killed in Missouri, and there may have been another. You can read the letters sent from Dumond's other rape victims to Huckabee and the Parole Board asking that he not be paroled. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/05/exclusive-the-complete-h_n_75373.html
He's a constitutionist. He doesn't let his personal beliefs get in the way of his politics. Huckabee on the other hand runs on the platform of "I believe in god vote for me!" and his poltics are effected by his moral beliefs. I don't give a shit what Huckabee believes and I don't want what he thinks being forced on me. But if you want to be his lap dog, be my guest.
It is a risk a candidate runs, when a large part of his platform is his faith and belief system. What Mitt was trying to say is, don't judge me as a Mormon, I believe in Jesus too. Which as far as I am concerned, doesn't come near what Kennedy said. Kennedy said that religion is private, Romney talked about religion being American and something that should not be separated from the state. If the theological right was Mormon, then it would have been Huckabee giving that speech, not Mitt. As Chuck Baldwin said recently, these people are following their leaders, voting in a pack, not based upon the virtues and character of the candidates. How many years have they been trying to get Roe v. Wade overturned? Reagan, nor either Bush has done a damn thing about it. I watched the Romney speech again. It was disappointing. He only mentioned being a Mormon once by name, but he did make it clear he would appoint Judges with a religious bias, which goes along with his disappointing comments on checking with lawyers before Congress on war actions. Judges must rule based upon the law, not theology. Their job is to interpret the law and enforce it, not color it with personal religious perspectives.
The front runners are Giuliani, Paul and Thompson. Romney and Huckabee need to win Iowa or their campaigns will take a major elect ability hit. The three I mentioned are all built to campaign past South Carolina.
Watching an interview with Huckabee right now. He is against waterboarding, he also wants Gitmo closed. Wow according to someone here that would make him a terrorist supporter! I'm sure this will be ignored or spun though, wouldn't have it any other way.