Zionism And The Inventor of The Lie

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Aceday, Dec 7, 2007.

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    In the conflict that is Israel – Palestine we constantly hear claim and counter claim .Both sides claim to have truth on their side , equally both sides claim the other is blatantly lying in order to gain sympathy and support, so what is the truth of the matter.

    Here is some recent stats concerning Israel – Palestine.


    Rockets Fired From Gaza:

    From mid June until the end of October 2007, 400 Qassams and 510 mortars have been fired towards Israel, injuring 75 Israelis (6 civilians, including one child, and 69 IDF soldiers). During the same period, 142 Palestinians, including 12 children, were killed and 293 were injured, including 17 children due to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/GazaStripHumanitarianFactSheet_2007_11_28.pdf


    Well look at that,75 Israelis injured ,yet only 6 of them were civilians (That’s 6 too many in my opinion ). Aren’t we led to believe that Palestinians fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli civilians? Well the facts seem to contradict that particular school of thought, I guess supporting Israel is for Professional liars and spreaders of disinformation (You know who you are) the exception to this being the ignorant who need educating on the subject .Yet on the Palestinian side we see 12 dead children and 17 injured, it is not hard to see which side kills indiscriminately.

    Child Death Count For 2007:

    Dead Palestinian children = 52

    Dead Israeli children = 1.


    Lets have a closer look at the Israeli child killed.

    Mahmoud Ibrahim al Krenawi. Mahmoud , 11 , was a Bedouin with Israeli citizenship. He was killed by IDF gunfire to his head and pelvis while picking figs at his brothers home.


    http://rememberthesechildren.org/remember2007.html


    So Israel is responsible for all children killed so far this year , including one of their own citizens. Not good reading for those who support Israel and her policy of terrorizing and murdering innocent children.


    More Stats:

    Health, Gaza:

    17.5% of patients denied access to Israel or abroad for medical treatment.

    20% of essential drugs and 31% of essential medical supplies were at zero availability in October.

    Mental Health, Gaza:

    Specialised agencies have observed a growing number of the population suffering from hyperactivity, lack of motivation, insomnia, anxiety, depression and bedwetting among children.

    Up to 40% of children in Gaza suffer from insomnia.

    34% of children suffer anxiety.

    26% of parents report severe to very severe anxiety.


    Water And Sanitation Gaza:

    The construction of an essential sewage system east of Khan Younis by UNRWA is on hold because no construction materials are allowed to enter the Gaza Strip.

    http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/GazaStripHumanitarianFactSheet_2007_11_28.pdf


    Well it seems Israel is practicing collective punishment on a helpless civilian population, so much for Israel being the jewel of the Middle East, full of democracy and peace. How can a nation who claims to be “civilized” commit such crimes and atrocities, more importantly why do people support such activities, is it, racism or because they believe the lie. My theory is that Pro Israelis believe the lie because it suits their racist beliefs.

    Israel is run by a terrorist, racist organization (Zionists) who indiscriminately murder innocent civilians including children. America supports these terrorists by giving them YOUR hard earned tax dollar.

    It would also seem that Israel’s smart bombs aren’t so smart, unless of course they are used deliberately to kill innocent people. The Palestinians on the other hand seem to have manufactured smart rockets that mainly maim brave IDF child killers, or as I now suspect, they don’t target innocent civilians in the way we are led to believe.
     
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  2. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    What's your point? You mess with a hornet and your going to get stung.

    The Palestinians need to stop firing Qassams and mortars at Israel. The also need to stop send suicide bombers. Gaza is a terrorist state. The people need to stop supporting terrorism.

    Same thing happened with Hezbollah. The kidnapped some Israeli soilders and stated firing rockets at civilians. In fact they killed some Israeli Arab school children.
     
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    Aceday Banned

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    1. I agree people need to stop supporting zionism

    2. They did apologies for the attack, i dont support attacks on civillians from any side, but lets not forget in that Lebanon war israel killed some 1,200 civilians, 30% kids, thats about 350 children!!!
     
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    It is estimated that there were about 410,000 Arab Muslims and Christians in Palestine in 1893 and the city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896.

    Due to zionist economic development and activity at the port of Haifa by the British, substanial numbers of Arabs immigrated to the Palestinain mandate. These recent immigrants had no historical rights.

    Israel has accepted over 1 million Jewish refugess from Arab lands. What do you plan on doing with the Jews that are in Israel? Force 1 million Jews to return to countries that do not want them. What happens to the Jews that have resided in Israel since biblical times?

    In all fairness the majority of the of the Palestinians Arab refugees grand parents have been born in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. It's time for these countries to assimilate their arab brothers.

    Another thing you fail to address. Jordan is a Palestinian state. A fair solution is to merge the West Bank, Gaza and Jordan into one country. Gaza will be connected to Jordan via the Suez Canal and Red Sea.
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    A war hezbolla had no right to start. They are carrying weapons illegally against the taif aggreement which called for all private militias in lebanon to give up their weapons to the government. All did but hezbolla. How dare they speak for the lebanese people. In a democracy that is the governments job. They started a war against isreal yet syria occupied lebanon for teh last 15 years before, and you can see hezbolla fighters waving syrian flags in the air. What hypocrits!!!

    Bogart, i like your idea about the merger. It holds merit, but at the same time can the jordanian government trust the new abbas government(abbas seems to be a moderate in favor of peace). I know they trusted the plo and the plo tried to take over jordan back in the days.
     
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    This is simply not true the idea that Palestinians are recent migrants is a myth, only about 5% of Israel is people who have been there 180 years or more.

    I don't support hezbollah, the idea that destroying the infrastructure of an entire country and killing 1,200 civilians is justified by a terrorist group kidnapping 2 soldiers, is just plain delusional.

    Did they even get the soldiers back?
     
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    Hahahhahaahaha:D
     
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    If it wasn't for Hizbullah Lebanon woudl be speaking hebrew right now because the Lebonese army is too scared to fight Israel. Hizbullah has to do all the dirty work for them.
     
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    Hezbollah has been ordered to disarm by the UN and is an illegal militia.

    The Jordanians are Palestinians. They wouldn't have to trust abbas. They would run the show and the west bank and gaza people would get Jordian cirizenship like they had before 1967.
     
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    The whole world has ordered Israel to stop illegally building settlements in the westbank, but they continue with ther ethnic cleansing program.
    RARE: US criticises Israeli homes plan
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    The population of Gaza was 360,000 people in 1967. Today there are 1.4 million people for a 300% increase in 30 years. Israel has removed all settlements from Gaza but guess what? If you have a 300% birthrate you can never have enough land.

    In 7 Years the poulation of Gaza will increase to 3 million

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpa...7A15751C0A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all
     
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    Bogart has a fetish for Zionists
     
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    Gaza is crowded because it has so many people that got chucked there from there lands in pre 1948 Palestine.

    Gaza only had a handful of settlements and they were removed for logistical reasons, money mainly.

    The majority of settlements are in the westbank, illegally under all intentional law but Israel does not care.

    ISRAEL HAS NOT REMOVED ANY SETTLEMENTS in the wb, to the contrary, they are expanding them!!!

    They dont care about international law, they even exercise collective punishment, something last done in nazi Germany!
     
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    Sound similar to what Islamic states do to their non believers.
     
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    Collective punishment? Steal their land? Give their property to immigrants? This is news to me!
     
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    Please explain this then. Iran asked the Jews living in Iran if they wished to move back to Israel and Iran would cover all the fee's and everything. Guess what they said? They wanted to stay in Iran.
     
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    I didn't know Islamic states bomb their "non-believers", or kill hundreds of children, while claiming to be th "only democracy in the Middle East"


    israel has systematically destroyed every Palestinian institution, every major city is on its knees, food supplies, medical supplies, even water supplies are controlled by the israelis.

    What a pathetic situation, even after reading documented facts, mostly done by Israeli NGOs and Peace activists like Peace Now and B'Tselem, people here are ready to defend israel.
     
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    This is false. The 1948 population of Gaza was 100,000 and 200,000 refugees settled there as a result of the 1948 war.

    From 300,000 people the popolution of Gaza is expected to reach 3,000,000 in 2014.

    The fact is that the Palestinian birth rate is 7 children per women and that is why there are millions of people packed into Gaza.

    The United Nations (UN) final estimate of the number of Palestinian refugees outside Israel after the 1948 War was placed at 711,000 in 1951

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus

    Currently, the total Palestinian population worldwide is estimated to be between 10 and 11 million people

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian

    The Palestinians have run out of land and are in poverty due to the costs of the highest birth rates in the world.
     
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    If i agree with you for the sake of argument that is an increase of 200%!

    I hope the birth ratio becomes 20 kids per family :D
     
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    None really knows how many people live in the palestinian controled territories...some new studies say that the numbers are increased politicaly than the really number that has been said to the public.
     
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