Teacher arrested for letting class call teddy bear Mohammed

You indicated she "only needed a talking to." Why? Why anything other than "thanks for teaching our children?"

 

Because in Sudan it is illegal to deframe the prophet Mohammed, the authorities ovbiously thought it was wrong to call the teddy bear Mohammed. I know, it's rediculous, but take it up with the Sudanese goverment, not me.

 

You constantly make silly accusations and insults, then trying to make yourself sound like some kind of victim, sorry but i cannot think of a better word than 'dribble' to describe your post.

As for the teacher, this whole thing is a misunderstanding, she is probably going to be released tomorrow or the day after, infact it has been british muslims protesting outside the sudansese emabassy for the past week and flying out to Sudan to rally the government over this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7122790.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7122562.stm

 

Not many teachers get that any more.... I wonder what would have happened if the bear were named Jesus instead...

It's just a bear... A news blipvert came on about an hour ago updating that story and a teddy was plastered across the screen with the words "Bad Bear" on it.. My 4 year old saw the bear on the TV and said "hey a Teddy Bear!"

Amazing how a child sees a Teddy Bear and nothing more. Why on earth fanatical cults read more into things then there is is beyond me. Maybe it is just a "Teddy Bear"...

 

Ok. Agreed. The woman was not to blame. We all, irrespective of religion, ethnicity or nationality, feel it was very harsh on the part of Sudan.

Now what else do you want? I believe the outcome of this discussion was unanimous.

So, let us stop fighting over petty things. We are all webmasters here. Let us concentrate on some serious work.

 

I'd like to, gauharjk, I really would. But if your faith and your right to practice your faith are both to be respected (they are, in my book), those of us that don't share your faith have our concerns as well. We have seen blood spilt by those that proclaim that until the world is one ummah, bloodshed will be pursued. Many of us don't subscribe to Islam and wish to continue living our lives as we now do. Because of concerns stemming from this, I have asked, and I think many would like to ask, a direct question; and so far it hasn't been answered here, at least not to my knowledge. My question again is:

Forgetting this woman - who apparently meant no harm. If someone does insult your Prophet or your religion, is such a thing worthy of their blood?

 

Depends what you mean, the answers can vary in the different contexts of the prophet being insulted. But if someone was personally attacking me by calling me stuff and insulting the prophet or my religion at the same time, of course it justifies a beating and a half. But that drops in the same line as defense so it really does depend on what you mean.

 

It's a simple question, and I'd appreciate a straightforward answer. Forget insulting yourself, or context. If I insult your Prophet or your faith, am I worthy of having my blood spilt?

 

From what you quoted, it would appear that is what he was saying.. At least that is the way I took it..

 

I would like to clarify because he mentioned "personally attacking me by calling me stuff and insulting the prophet or my religion at the same time," so I wasn't sure if someone calling him "hey, asshole!" earned a beating, or insulting his prophet and faith would be the trigger to violence.

I sincerely would like to know the answer to this.

 

I hate how these Religious threads become so big. Whatever you hate or like, keep it to yourself.

I know that everyone has freedom of speech but do not abuse it because it will only lead to a scandal. The religious battles will never end and this is what really separates us apart and is actually a good thing. Everyone needs to have different views and beliefs. I may think some one else's culture is not appealing, but I should not judge it because I am not part of it.

 

So basically, you didn't give a Yes/No answer, which indicates that in SOME cases, you see fit to murder someone for insulting your prophet/religion.

In addition, you don't need to use violence if someone is insulting your prophet or religion. Ignoring the person/retaliation without violence would be the best thing an intellectual being could do, but i guess you haven't reached that level of progress yet...

 

I wouldn't murder them, i'd ask politely to stop 3 times then if they don't I would teach them a lesson.

 

I just want to say, that Muslims who have not lived in open societies, hold religion very dear. You have a very different mindset, which you have a right to have. You have a right to live our life as you want to. No one would object.

But you find Muslims in very different societies. Their culture, customs, sensitivities are very different than yours. The religion is held dearer than life.

Imagine, someone insults your parents, insults really bad in front of the world. How would you feel? How would you react? Won't you fight?

As you have yourself agreed, you do not believe in God. So, I cannot stress to you he importance of all this. I cannot explain how important religion is. I wish I could.

I don't know what to say.

It is given in the holy Quran, "To us our deeds, and to you your deeds. Peace be to you."

So, it is safe to ignore such people.

 

I've said this many times. I hold no religious beliefs but absolutely respect anyone's right to believe as they wish. I only care about religion - any religion - as it impacts on life here and now, and affects how we as mortal beings behave towards one another while here.

 

OK, thanks for the thoughts. My problem is that there is a woman in Sudan who is receiving death threats over a perceived insult to Islam. I understand anger, I understand rage (although I think it is tragically mistaken), but I do not understand murdering someone because they ridiculed your faith. And as much as I respect your right to your faith, and would defend it against anyone, I would vigorously resist my murder, or anyone else's, over words.

I would think the Creator and your Prophet would both be above that.

 

OK, thanks for the thoughts. My problem is that there is a woman in Sudan who is receiving death threats over a perceived insult to Islam. I understand anger, I understand rage (although I think it is tragically mistaken), but, "closed society" or not, I do not understand murdering someone because they ridiculed your faith. And as much as I respect your right to your faith, and would defend it against anyone, I would vigorously resist my murder, or anyone else's, over words. I would think the Creator and your Prophet would both be above that.

 

Simply put, No.

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, is our best role model, especially when it comes to dealing with the enemies of Islam. He never resorted to insults in response to insults. He was kind, merciful, and lenient with people who not only insulted him, but wanted to kill him because they despised so much the message of Islam which he brought.

Also we read in the Qur'an,

Anyways you must also understand that insulting anyone is PROVOCATION.

 

Thank you for the answer. And absolutely, I do understand that insulting anyone is provocation. Lord knows I have a temper and am easily roused, but the distinction I was looking for is whether such response is right, or is it wrong.

 

Well, the drag about that, of course, is you never know who is at the other end.