I am looking for an experienced programmer... one who is good at PHP, ajax, works well with api, innovative ideas and producing what I envision. Preferably you should be able to create plugins/gadgets as well but that is a matter of discussion... If your interested in taking your programming abilities and making a lot of money, becoming a part of programming innovative projects then you maybe the guy for the job. Don't contact me if you "think" you might be able to do this... I need someone experienced in doing all kinds of projects in PHP... if you are not comfortable with this, again don't waste my time and yours. Let me know if your interested.
Not limiting myself to anything... but PHP is one of the best programming languages for web applications that I know of. If you know more than PHP that is great... I am looking for somebody who knows many languages.
We can develop in .Net, JSP and PHP but feel that PHP is the weakest language (dont want to get into the arguments of why as its been done to death) and so will not develop using it for our clients. Technically you can ASP to the list but no reason to use ASP if .Net is viable
Or maybe you don't have a guy to do some PHP work? if you feel PHP is the weekest, well check your stats mate, or perhaps look at the URL box of your browser(this site is a PHP build site), knowing PHP is a low cost technology but logically why is it so popular you answer that mate? I suggest you do your research before you make any such post.
No, out of our 4 developers 3 of them are fully proficient in PHP including our lead developer. I am well aware that this site runs vB and therefore PHP? I dont get what you are getting at? Just because something is common or popular doesnt make it good? The only strengths of that are commonly listed over say .Net are actually advantages of Apache over IIS rather than PHP over .Net - it is a pity that the Mono is never likely to be stable enough for commercial application as combining the benefits of Apache with the power/ speed of .Net would be an excellent combination for the SME market where dedicated or virtual servers are overkill
I have been on the internet building sites nearly since the web began... although I can't program myself I have seen stuff programmed in many languages and the only one which I have been continually satisfied with is php... maybe someday somebody can educate me as to why I am wrong here but that is none of your worry... php has been able to do what I need and that is all you have to do. We can debate that later
AstarothSolutions, don't tell me you're not sure what PL this forum is using? its like saying you hate drinking coffee but here you are drinking coffee, are you a developer? if you are, when you say popular, it doesn't mean that PHP is well marketed, etc. when a developer say its popular, it means technically popular, the speed, the simplicity of the script, the security unlike most .NET site w/c are very much vulnerable. we all know .NET is a better version of ASP classic, thats why MS made a complete overhauled of ASP classic, almost the whole syntax were completely different and its called ASP.NET. I know what Im saying coz I done some .NET projects before, so stop saying PHP is the weakest language, its like saying majority of WEB developers are dumb, and again do some research before making such comment or perhaps learn to code first mate. Peace
No, I said that I do know what language and software the forum is using but I dont see the relevance to the question of which PL is better? Am I a developer? Depends on your definition, I can develop sites and can answer almost all of the non-PHP based questions here but I am not in the same league as our lead developer who was a lead developer for a multi national bank using JSP & .Net for their web work and Java, COBOL/ CICS, Gener/ol for mainframe (plus probably other mainframe languages that I have never heard of). Didnt realise that developers had a different dictionary to the average person, popular in general english means it is like by the majority not that it better. For all the elements you have praised PHP for .Net is better at including security - dont mistake weaknesses in developers as weaknesses in the language otherwise poorly set up Apache servers that serve up the raw PHP files when overloaded would make PHP/ Apache a terrible combination when in reality it is the setup that has been used thats terrible not the base technology. But as said, didnt want to get into a PHP -v- X argument as they have been done to death many times and the majority of people are blinded by their allegance to one or another technology. As a project manager (which is my profession) I dont care if it is PHP, JSP, CFM, .Net or any other language that is used as long as it is fit for purpose and gives the best return on investment in terms of stability, programming time, cost etc and from many years of experience in project management both in the corporate and SME markets PHP has not been the best out of the 3 languages I originally listed in any case of development (over installing a prewritten script).
Read your word and visio! as long as it is fit for the purpose or its been able to do what visio's wants, thats the main thing, when you say programming time you just want to have a simple form that submit page. in .NET or JSP you can't have it quickl as you can with PHP. About the popular thing, you're the one who's taking it literally, why will developers think PHP is popular? don't tell me it became popular because of TV exposure or something, it became popular because of what you just mentioned above. Now you know its written in PHP and you just said PHP is the weakest PL, and we are not having a debate if what is the better PL, its about you saying PHP is the weakest PL.
A submit form with .Net can be done in about 8 lines excluding the form itself which can be HTML and so as quick/ slow as PHP. Whilst our developers know JSP I dont so cannot say how quick it is for that but see no reason why a collection of post returns cant be used and so would be equally quick. PHP is popular because when the 3rd generation languages came about it was the strongest and it got a good foothold and it has evolved over time rather than revelution as ASP -> .Net was and so there is a mass of free scripts/ examples for new people to learn. Also in those time *Nix hosting was much cheaper than Windows (which is no longer the case) making it more accessable. For a similar comparison look at BluRay -v- DVD, there is no arguement that BluRay is the more powerful/ "better" format but DVD is still more popular Debate of if PHP is weaker than .Net is the same as a debate of if .Net is better than PHP as they are the same thing said another way. I always knew that this forum was in PHP as it is a standard install of vB which many sites use, but i still dont see how that means that PHP is a better language or isnt the weakest out of PHP, .Net and JSP? Does the fact that MySpace replaced all its PHP and CFM coding with .Net mean that .Net is then the strongest language? No, it means that they believe it is the best as I am sure that DP think that vB (and therefore PHP) is the best for them but again it is a mute point on the basis I was discussing development and not off the shelf scripts where the actual programming language used becomes a lot less important but other aspects such as functionality offered, price etc come into play.... We dont use off the shelf (with two exceptions) and so only know a few off the shelf scripts for forums but simply looking at pricing alone vB would seem a much more sensible option than Community Forum which is circa 20 times the cost (from memory) as there are few benefits other than greater scalability and it is unlikely that DP will grow to the size of needing a massive server farm in the immediate future.
PM me if you still need someone. Im not really known on DP, but I have 7 years of experiences programming PHP on various databases including mysql, postgresql, sql server. I also worked a lot using AJAX in PHP using the mootools javascript library. I also worked on a lot of projects on several CMS including Typo3, Wordpress, Drupal, Joomla. At last, Im currently working on a CMS wrapper in PHP that will be released under an opensource license (maybe GPL), in several weeks. I also know ASP, ASP.NET, JSP using Struts, Ruby & Python, but I have a lot more experiences in PHP since I'm using it heavily since the end of PHP3 and the beginning of PHP4. For more informations, contact me! Steve
You call that 8 lines quick enough? If I were to ask you to create 20 simple forms, are you a PHP coder? in PHP you don't need 8 lines of server side script to submit a form, just an form HTML with proper name or attributes, with one simple line you can return the value of the form, myspace did this did that, we can always say that but did that made .NET a better programming than PHP? friendster used to run with .JSP but what happened? PHP is now running it. its a pity that .NET is not that stunning as PHP at first, the fact will always remains that PHP is widely use because its known speed, affordable, security, quick development with the help of the OS community. thats why you need to say to your potential clients: Like you said it doesn't mean PHP is better than .NET but its what they believe and majority thinks that PHP is better than .NET, you just have to work hard to change that, in this venue or forum, you don't need to degrade such technology to get your clients, and yeah this is an endless debate, and who you think is getting the advantage? PHP, coz it still remains the most used language in the WWW, and DVD's vs BLURAY is very much different from PHP vs .NET, you code PHP or .NET then play/run it, can you do that with DVD'S/.NET? the point is, electronic products and stuff are different from PL.
Ok, by submitting a form I assume you, perhaps incorrectly, that you ment to email all the content of the form or post it to a db etc not simply to pick up a single field entry (or the collection of all entries) both of which can be done in a single line in .Net too. The 8 lines is non-form specific and so to make 20 forms would just have the same code copy and pasted and as .Net handles the setting of attributes to the form itself there is one less action for the developer to do. I am not a fan of JSP either but it was used heavily by financial institutions which is my and our lead developers background more than preference. Again you mention affordable, how is PHP more affordable than .Net? Both have free development tools and there is now very little price difference in hosting costs between *nix and windows - for our webhost windows is actually cheaper than linux when you factor in you get an extra 25% bandwidth and buying the additional bandwidth to equal this out pushes the linux price above windows. I agree that it will take a lot to knock PHP off as the top, by volume, web language. The only thing that could do it in my opinion is a revolutionary change (as per asp -> .net) which renders all previous code unusable in the new version but again volume doesnt actually mean good. The majority of developers know very little about the other PLs even though they argue that their PL is better than the other options. It is a pity that a potential client is actually limiting themselves but this is my project management hat again. A client should give their business requirements and any constraints they have and then let the subject matter experts (developers in this case) decide what the best option is. Of cause one of the constraints may be that they own a LAMP setup in which case this rules out .Net but that is the considered opinion of an expert. Too many people over solutionise their requirements which begs the question of why pay an expert and then not use their expertise? I get equally annoyed by people who say that it has to be in .Net esp when it turns out it doesnt need to be but they just think that it is the best PL after reading a few biased websites. It is not only clients limiting the PL but even worse when they start saying what the db structure should be etc (it is different when you are subcontracting on only part of a project and so integration into the rest of the project is required)
Hi, I'm looking for a programmer such as yourself and would like to see the work that your team has done. Do you have yahoo messenger?
Eaxctly!!!..Well said, I hate when clients comming with the all the technological matters in their minds (picked from some random articles) , and juts asking for a coder .. not a developer..
I have a number of projects to be done so yeah I am still looking for a good developer. Send me pms if interested