After watching an interview with Daniel Estulin, a man who has been following the Bilderberg Group for 20 years, he has made it clear in a recent interview that the U.S. may be set up for what I call an Economic Sucker Punch. Basically, he stated that the Bilderberg very likely will increase the U.S. economy, bringing it back to 1998 levels. This will be done so that American investors who are pulling their money out of the stock market and other investments will put their money back in, thinking everything is ok. Once investors have put their money back into the economy/stock market, Estulin postulates that the Globalists will then bring the economy down once again, consolidating the wealth of the suckers who were dumb enough to fall for their trick. I thought I would start this thread to warn those of you here at DP who are investors to be cautious about reinvesting your money in case the U.S. economy suddenly improves, you may be getting set up.
First off the U.S. Economy is larger today then it was in 1998. Two every time the stock market has dipped it has come back stronger, every dip has been a buying opportunity. This one has been nothing different. Three. You have this illusion that the U.S. and Global economy is controlled by a small group of people and that couldn't be further from the truth.
I thought ron paul supporters were supposed to hold off on all the kooky stuff until after the primaries?
Thanks for the heads up Tesla. I've been thinking the same thing. All you have to do is look at the real estate market and its swings to realize that the same principles apply. The smart ones create the hype, cash out during the peak and let the stupid ignorant fools buy in too late. Never put all your eggs in one basket!
Who controls the IMF, World Bank, and Fed? Who established it? The obvious answer is people with lots of money. And they didn't do it because they care about us. Yeah, the IMF doesn't control the global economy, they just give out huge loans to third world countries which can never be paid off, and once the politicians of these countries are paid off, global corporations then take over the land, water, factories, and other resources. The people live in misery, and the leader of the country, usually a dictator lives in opulence. Welcome to reality man, this is the world we live in. But don't believe me. As I always say, everything I say is backed up by experts. Check out this book on Amazon written by John Perkins, who was an Economic Hitman who helped put third world countries into debt:http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-E...d_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196301904&sr=8-1 This post is funny. Jim Cramer even went public about how basically the stock market was largely a scam, and how hedge fund managers and Wall Street can essentially control the stock price. You can watch the video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOGLvxqAk4A 70% of the stock market is controlled by global corporations. No matter how good you think you are in day trading or playing the market, the reality is that the insiders on Wall Street will always be 20 steps ahead of you. Cramer has even talked about how high profile finance writers could intentionally write a bad article about the stock just to control price. The stock market is a joke.........I would invest my money as a VC or into my own business long before I ever play the stock market. Even Thomas J. Stanley and William D. Danko write in their book the Millionaire Next Door that many PAWs(Prodigious Accumulators of Wealth) don't even put their money in the market.
No problem Guru Seo. Unlike a lot of people in this forum, you see reality for what it is. Like me, you don't live in a fantasy world. History shows us the rich have a tendency to exploit those beneath them. Take Enron for instance. How long did they keep telling all their shareholders that everything was fine, how the stock would continue to do well, meanwhile, they were selling their own shares? Then, in the sub prime mortgage situation, you've got banks intentionally giving people mortgages that they know the applicant can't qualify for. Then they devalue our currency to top it off........these people make me sick. Then the government encourages the corps to offshore our jobs and hire people in foreign countries for pennies on the dollar. This society is designed by the rich, for the rich. The rest of us are just suckers and lap dogs. Only the naive think otherwise. And by the way, before anyone comes and tries to say that ordinary joes have become millionaires in the stock market, my answer to this is that yes, that is true, but how many people have lost their shirts? And who wins most often, Wall Street, or the average joe that is out there playing the market without being an insider? The answer is obvious.
I used to like you, then I didn't like your positions, but now I like you and your positions. It's nice to find someone I don't agree with 100%, but is clearly able to see the bigger picture.
It's measured larger because of a few factors. 1. Monetary inflation 2. Price inflation 3. Foreign borrowing 4. Deficit spending 5. Credit expansion 6. Reduction of the savings rate 7. Speculative investment 8. War I'm not saying there hasn't been a growth in wealth and productivity over time. What I am saying is that the numbers are heavily distorted by economic and social intervention. Moving to core CPI over the traditional measure also keeps the numbers looking good. We all know that energy, health care and food are being hammered right now with price increases. But they aren't included in the calculations.
Right because it was the Bilderberg group that built an excess of two million moneys in the last 3 years. It wasn’t the people who both and sold condos 3 or 4 times before they were even built that drove the demand for home builders to build an excess amount homes. You guys talk about a free market economy but when things go bad you look for someone to blame. It always has to be some conspiracy its never the guy who had $100,000 and bought 10 homes for $100,000 each with 10% down.
Points 1, 2, 5, 7 are all part of a growing economy that demands more money in the system. It sounds like you want wage inflation but want prices of everything to stay the same and it doesn’t work that way. Point 3. Because foreigners want to borrow us money our interest rates are lower then what they should be. Point 4. Our deficit is falling quickly and there should be a surplus in the next couple years. Point 6. If you want a higher savings rate don’t tax savings then. Also the saving rate is not that accurate because it doesn’t count money put in money market accounts or money put away in 401K accounts. Point 7. Speculative invest is part of a free market economy some investments work some don’t Also you should look at what is included in the core CPI and you would see that health care is included. The only thing excluded are food and energy.
While Enron was telling its shareholders everything was fine the stock kept on falling. The market didn’t believe what they were saying and was selling their shares. Take a look at who are the rich that you keep bashing. http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071129/OPINION03/711290315/-1/ARCHIVE Also you take any 30 year period in the stock market including the great depression and you’ll get a average return of 13% a year. That’s much better then any saving account rate you’ll get at the bank.
Why does the system require more money? That doesn't make any sense at all. If money is in demand, the value of the existing currency goes up. IE, it buy more. You have my confused. Are the foreigners borrowing US, or is the US borrowing from foreigners? I'm talking about the latter. You seem to have forgotten about the Baby Boomers lining up for Social Security starting next January. Money Market Accounts and 401ks are investments, not savings. They are unsecured. The reason why there is less savings is not the taxation. The money being used in investments is taxed when it earns a profit, just as savings get taxed on interest. It's a wash. Yes, but the banks and lenders always get bailouts. So for them, the game is rigged, so that they never lose, and always win. And we pay for their mistakes in government spending, subsidies and aid. It's really just a higher cost passed on the consumer to protect corporate profits. That is not correct. I'm assuming you got that from Wikipedia. Please source a list of what Core CPI includes if you want to argue the point.
Well let’s start from the business/employee point of view. You expect a yearly increase in wages don’t you? So you paycheck goes up. The company may offset some of your pay increase by increased productivity but in the end the price of goods and services goes up which requires more money in the system. Otherwise you run into shortages of currency in the system. Every year you have more people joining the work force, they need to be paid, you have a growing population which needs currency to function, therefore as long as you having a growing economy in term of GDP and population there will be an increase in the demand for currency. You think that it’s the number of currency in circulation the drives the value of your currency but that is false. It’s interest rates and inflation that are drivers of the value of a currency. There are more Euros in circulation then dollars and yet the euro is more valuable then the dollar now Foreigners are borrowing the U.S. money, but since there is such a great demand to borrow us money our interest rate on have stayed low. That is true but not everyone will retire at the same time, people will still work when they could retire. The baby boomers generation will retire over time. That is true also but it carries value also. That money invested is later spent as if it were saved except the returns are better then on a savings account. Except that the bailouts come from the private sector rarely do they come from the government, Other then the Chrysler bailout in the early 80s I don’t recall any government bailouts of failing business. CPI can be greatly influenced in any given month by a movement in volatile food and energy prices. Therefore, it is important to look at CPI excluding food and energy, commonly called the "core rate" of inflation. Within the core rate, some of the more volatile and closely watched components are apparel, tobacco, airfares, and new cars. In addition to tracking the month/month changes in core CPI, the year/year change in core CPI is seen by most economists as the best measure of the underlying inflation rate. http://www.briefing.com/Investor/Public/MarketAnalysis/Calendars/EconomicReleases/cpi.htm
This is a bogus scenario with a few things that are totally assumed. First of all, you can't run into a currency shortage. If there is more demand for currency, the price of goods and services goes down. Monetary inflation friend. I'll explain it to you the way I explain it to every person who doesn't understand it. If there is only $1 in the world, and I have it, I have all of the world's wealth. If the government prints another dollar and gives it to you, I now have half of the world's wealth, and you have the other half. If they print 2 more bills, and give them to Tesla and ReadyToGo, then we each have a quarter of the world's wealth. Get it? If you inflate the money supply, you devalue the existing currency in circulation, because it is less rare. I would like to introduce you to my two friends. Supply and demand. If there is demand for US dollars, interest rates would naturally rise. The only way you can supress interest rates when demand is high, is to artificially create new credit, ie. print money. Uhm, no. It's not about retirement. It's about when they become eligible for Social Security. And that will be massive over the next 2 years. Wrong. Investments are profit/risk scenarios. The only value it holds is speculative. Again, it is not secured. There is an opportunity to lose value in the investment. Typically, secured savings do not have a loss scenario, unless inflation rises above interest rates, at which point, the interest rates must rise to compensate. Bank interest is not meant to be profitable to the depositor. It is meant to compensate for lost value due to inflation. So that your $1 deposited today, buys the equivalent in goods 10, 20 or 50 years from now. Please research this. Corporate bailouts occur all of the time. Horse crap. Food has not become any cheaper over my lifetime. Neither has energy. Excluding these two measures, which form the basis of our economy purposely distorts the figures. Don't tell me about volatility when the trend line is always upwards. We've been in a period of non-stop inflation since the early 90s.
We ran into a currency shortage / liquidity crisis during the great depression which is why 1/3 of the banks failed and the price of goods did not go up. That’s very simplistic approach but then you forget about inflation, interest rates, demand for stable currency and a whole host of other factors. Actually in the financial world it’s a bit different, if there is a demand for US Bonds, the banks that sell them can offer a lower interest rate because people will take less of a return in exchange for safety. If no one wants to hold your bonds, you have to pay more (offer higher interest rates) to entice people to buy and own your bonds. Actually the baby boom generation will peak in 2019 You can’t discount the trillion of dollars held in investments and say it isn’t worth anything. Yes corporate bailouts do happen all the time but the money comes from the private sector, not from the government. I don’t know when you were born but unless your 10 years old you would be seen oil peak at $102 a barrel(Inflation adjusted) in the 1980s then watch it fall to $9 a barrel in 1998, only to watch it rise up again to $100 a barrel now and that’s if you just happen to be 27 years old.
Great analogy! So why that would be so difficult to understand for some people beats me. You can't just print more Gold bars like you can print paper, thats why Gold will never loose its value like paper treasuries do. Printing more worthless paper and pretending that is worth anything its complete lunacy! It benefits the bankers (and you bet they have already diversified their wealth into other commodities), but it will destroy the average person.
Actually their pretty invested in US growth http://money.cnn.com/2005/10/26/news/newsmakers/fed_bernanke_portfolio/index.htm
Bernanke is an idiot and a puppet and he is going to loose his ass off just like all of us! Oh wait that article is from October 26, 2005!!!! WTF dude!!! Nice try, trying to slide that one in! Do you have access to his personal finances? Not to mention a lot has happened since October 2005??? WOW that shows a lot about how much you know. P.S. You have a broken link on your site http://soniqhost.com/sitemap.html and how come you don't have a phone number listed on your site?
http://www.fmcenter.org/atf/cf/%7BDFBB2772-F5C5-4DFE-B310-D82A61944339%7D/BB07.PDF As for Soniqhost.com I no longer run that service.