"America is secretly funding militant ethnic separatist groups in Iran in an attempt to pile pressure on the Islamic regime to give up its nuclear programme."
I didn't mention the US. I was writing about this forum. http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=5344063 No, you responded with more name calling and subjective rhetoric. And once again, you imply I am not a loyal American. Surprise, surprise. Ad Hominem attacks. Colin Powell, who made the speech at the UN asking for authorization to go into Iraq, and presented evidence, has admitted the intel was wrong. The only confirmed WMDs found were 15 year old artillery shells buried near the Iran border Source Wikipedia. Feel free to source better. Care to point them out? I am supporting a presidential campaign that has disavowed racism, and drawing out the same support base that Ronald Reagan and George Bush did. You are aligned with a tax and spend moralist, who favors free education at the taxpayer's expense for illegals, thinks Saudi Arabia trains terrorists with the gas money we send them, and was notorious in Arkansas for abusing his position as Governor for personal financial gain. It is sad. Almost as sad as when someone ceaselessly promotes fear and hatred, and purposefully works to discredit evidence and sources through slander, while wrapping oneself in the flag and claiming to be the bigger patriot. Here is the deal. I don't care about those other countries. If they are a threat to invade or attack, nuke them. Israel has more nukes than most other countries in the world. She can take care of herself adequately just as Israel recently attacked a Syrian installation WITHOUT American approval. Israel is one of the up and coming tech countries in the world, and has enormous potential. I'll never understand the American-Jewish and American-Christian obsession with nannying Israel. I've actually come to the conclusion, that I side with the Zionists. Give them their nation. Stop treating them like a vassal state.
Is there a forum on fire? DP P&R, specifically the way "certain" members operate. I'm happy to say that you and lorien have been much easier to get along with the last while, but Toopac and GTech, typical brownshirt tactics.
As I suspected. They did not withdraw from the south. They simply relocated to the edge of the city. I've said nothing that isn't true. Again, if you are ashamed of being called out for tearing down your country, stop. You have that choice. I imply what you freely offer through your posting. You seem to have no problem tearing your country down, you just don't want to take responsibility for it. I could care less about Colin Powell trying to save his ass from something that doesn't need saving. I've sourced them numerous times. As have others. I'll start keeping track of them, so you won't be able to deny them in the future. Incorrect. You are supporting a candidate who has made and defended racist statements, who subscribes to conspiracy theories, has rounded up the support of neonazis, white supremacists, anarchists, loony conspiracists, 9/11 troofers, antisemites and most recently, has apparently wrapped up the pimp and hooker endorsement. The only thing missing is an endorsement from bin laden. My candidate has moved so far past yours, he's the subject of smear campaigns now. Fortunately, your candidate is still holding single digit support....about the same amount of national support as there probably are people that make up those fringe groups. It is sad. Sad that you see something in others that you can't see in yourself. Other than caving into terrorist demands and muslim whining and complaining, there is no reason for us not to be allies with Israel.
A DP's membership is not necessarily representative of the opinion of this forum, or it's ownership... The last thing I have come to know either Gtech or Toopac as is Nazi's... I'd really suggest taking some PolySci classes, that and some surrounding the history of WWI and WWII to better understand what a Nazi really is, how they rose to power, and what they stood for. Comparing anyone here to that part of history takes a big pair of balls.. I'd be sure I could back it up with something concrete. If not, stop doing it. It's childish and disrespectful.
Actually the admin did anything and everything to connect the two. Cheney tried to make connections multiple times, it's not possible to find every quote on the net someone ever made I'm sure you're aware of that. The media 'from what I watched' continually questioned the connections that the admin kept putting out. They most certainly did. You can try to trivialize and nitpick it to say he didn't. Using 9/11 in the same speaches as to why we have to get Saddam and his WMD's sure was a nice way to not directly say it, but scare the crap out of the US population and make the vast majority of them think they were connected. Nope this is incorrect. At the end Saddam was fully bending over backwards for the weapons inspectors. Even with him fully cooperating we attacked. Gulf War was a bit different, who did Saddam attack in this case???? To use this as an argument as well, seriously the Gulf War the UN authorized, they did not authorize this war did they? That is just one article I got from a 2 second search. If I had the time or energy I could find many more, of Cheney and others 'doubting' and or linking. Even 'doubt' is enough to convince the american public who look at the administration for answers, especially in time of war. 'doubt' is as good as saying they are or could be linked. When it was known they were not linked one would think saying 'no they are not linked' wouldn't be too hard. But then the population would have known it and would not have supported the war to the degree they did. Without 9/11 Bush would have NEVER had the support for the war he did. You'd have to be an alien from another planet to honestly think 9/11 had nothing to do with getting us into Iraq. 'as in giving Bush the momentum' That was yet again one article. Our intelligence did not doubt it at all, it was Cheney in that article leaving doubt out there so the public would also doubt. Huge difference from what you're trying to compare. Ahh but it was not the media. I watched show after show of Pro Bush people claiming links, using 9/11 for a reason to invade. It was the media who questioned those links, not the other way around. If I get time I will try to find articles that prove this wrong. I do not believe it from what 'media' said I believe it from my own eyes seeing the administration speak of 9/11 side by side with Saddam. Mince the words all you want, they had the same effect of linking the 2 in most Americans minds. Why do you think so many for so long believed they were connected? The administration made speaches using the 2 over and over to falsely connect the 2. Hell I even remember Bush fng up Saddam and Binladens name a few times I believe, maybe his own speaches confused him as well Nothing to do with urban legends, everything to do with the administrations own actions. Speaches containing 9/11 within the reason to invade Saddam, Cheney our own Vice president refusing to say they are not connected. Even 'if' nobody every directly connected them which I do not believe, the above causes the same effect, the American public being misled. --- wow typo hell, note to self don't respond to posts until you are awake!
Which is another saying for terrorist group. When the USA is supporting them, they are militant ethnic separatist groups but when they are an enemy of the USA they are terrorists, cool logic.
It's not just that, 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter' It does depend on what side you're on, it's not just black and white as in failed logic. Our own minuteman in the US were considered terrorists by the Brits. I however do see a huge difference from the scum that is Al Qaeda compared to an actual freedom fighter. No amount of looking at things logically or nuetrally would/could equate them to be the same. Not with their tactics.
PMOI/MKO is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States, Canada, European Union, Iraq and Iran.Although the European Court of Justice has overturned this designation in December 2006,[6] the Council of the EU declared on 30 January 2007 that it would maintain the organization on the blacklist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran
Just a real quick search came up with this page which includes several quotes from Cheney http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/093003C.shtml Such classics as You don't think falsely stating that one of the lead hijackers met with Iraq intelligence several months before the attack is tying the 2 together? There is much, much more than just this. To say that the administration never attempted to tie the two together though is the urban legend, not the other way around.
Grim, please don't tell me you are falling for one of these conspiracy theory web sites... "The Truth About Truthout.org" http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2596.html
BTW I only came upon that site with a 2 second search for google, I could care less what site it is, MSN, FOX, the whitehouse As long as it has the quotes... http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20011209.html Sure looks like during a time of war, during a time of the general population being freaked out, wanting revenge, wanting to be safe, looking to the administration for guidance, the vice president himself is sure leaving the possiblity of a connection open. Using false information, yet this is only one of a long list. I will say it again, to think 9/11 was not used to get into Iraq you'd have to be an alien living off the planet.
I remember hearing them too.. Only I heard them all second hand, ie., not from the horses mouth.. I guess that is what troubles me.. But again, if you hear or say something enough, whether true or not, eventually it kinda becomes true.. Call me a skeptic!
One only has to read Dennis Kucinich's articles of impeachment for Cheney to see the laundry list of issues and grievances with sources. http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int3.pdf
Someone's compensating for something... It is obvious given the fact that this someone cannot ever seem to get his point across without posting over and over again in response to himself.. Sad..