Tracking Chips to Catch Terrorists and Criminals?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by usasportstraining, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. #1
    Here's a scenario and a question.

    There's this new technology that was recently developed in the USA. It stores some personal information, such as basic contact information, next of kin, etc. It also allows tracking via GPS and radio tracking. It is also encrypted and can only, but easily, be removed with specialized equipment. The personal information is well encrypted also, so nobody except for someone in an official capacity could read it (and they must have your permission).

    Let's say the government passed a law requiring anyone coming into the country must be administered one of these chips, which can be removed prior to leaving the country. Also, the new law requires all residents legal and illegal to be given a more descriptive version, including blood type, detailed contact information, DNA information, etc.

    If illegal residents do not submit to it, they are immediately deported without question. They would be easier to find, as the police/border patrol/INS officials could go into a building, bus, car, or whatever and a device would show who has been chipped.

    Think of the benefits:

    You could find abducted children or lost people.
    You could find suspected or known criminals.
    You could find a potential or known terrorists.
    For US Citizens (and illegal residents), blood type, dental records, and other information would be available to medical personnel.
    They may even be able to incapacitate the criminal remotely!


    The question: Would you do it?
     
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  2. demosfen

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    #2
    You'd either do it, go to jail, or head to the moutains...

    We don't need it, we already know who the terrorists are. The problem is that it doesn't matter, since they have power, tasers, and control over... pretty much everything
     
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  3. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #3
    We already know who the terrorists are? Are you sure about that? What about reports of people with student visas disappearing? Then later finding out they had ties to a terrorist organization. Where are they now?

    What about abducted children? Lost people in the woods? People with Alzheimer's wondering around?

    If there is a hit and run accident, they could tell who hit and ran. They could tell who was at so and so's house raping them. They could see that you, indeed, were at your computer downloading porn! ;)

    We could even use this device to shoot it into people. [​IMG]

    I, I mean, the government could track all you weirdos!
     
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  4. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    No I would not do it, to ask us to do it or to just submit to it IMHO goes totally against what this country was founded upon.

    If you want to chip yourself or your children that is your decision, not the governments.

    As far as 'illegal' residents, they should be deported either way.
     
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  5. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #5
    My thinking is that, if such technology were available, it could be employed on children (with parent consent), and anyone that committed a felony or violent misdemeanor.

    However, that's a slippery slope. I think once it becomes accepted on children, etc, then it's not but a generation away from being accepted for everyone. You would then have to put your faith and trust in the government and a potentially idiot/evil leadership to make wise decisions on your behalf.
     
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  6. uglyboy

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    I can see the positive uses ID chipping but its open to abuse.. and criminals would find a way of circumventing the technology anyway..
     
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  7. usasportstraining

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    #7
    Yes, in my fantasy world they are using a super duper atomic encryption technique.
     
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  8. uglyboy

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    Lol.. but you know the score some spotty 14 nerd working out of a dark bedroom in his/her mothers house would come up with a super duper atomic decryption technique...
     
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  9. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #9
    Yes, and this doofus would shoot him. ;)

    [​IMG]




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    I'm wondering who, if any of us here, could see it being accepted. Would you want this chip to be inserted in anyone? Would you allow it to be done to you or a family member (your kids or elderly parent)?



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  10. netuitive

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    Or you could be giving someone ultimate power over you.

    Here' some interesting read:

    http://www.av1611.org/666/biochip.html
    http://www.tldm.org/News4/MarkoftheBeast.htm
    http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=74&contentid=1393
    http://www.metatech.org/microchip_mark_of_the_beast.html
    http://www.cryingvoice.com/Endtimes/Mark9.html
    http://www.gotquestions.org/mark-beast.html




     
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  11. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    As soon as they start chipping people by law, I am moving. I resent being able to be tracked by GPS, or rely on a digital identity managed by the government.

    We're not cattle, and this shit is a little too close to the Number of the Beast scenario for me to buy into it.

    As far as all of the good it could do, that's horsecrap too. The government does very little well except steal our freedoms and tax us 3 out of 12 months of the year.

    Like the warantless wiretapping, wouldn't a potential terrorist or thief simply "unchip" themselves? I mean, a guy willing to fly a plane into a building during a suicide attack probably wouldn't have a big problem with digging an implant out. It's the average citizen who gives up liberty and privacy with no measurable gain in security.

    F that.
     
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  12. usasportstraining

    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #12
    I agree. I think we're on a slippery slope already.

    There's already a GPS requirement law for cel phones.

    You can already buy jackets with GPS for your kids. They've been chipping Alzheimer's patients (non-GPS) for identification.

    Warrentless wiretaps, like you mentioned.

    I remember 20 years ago people were upset because "big brother" would be watching people via video cameras (like they already do in the US and the UK). Now it's accepted and even enjoyed with all the Cops types tv shows and America's Funniest Home video types of shows.

    Although it could be a very handy tool, I think it would be abused within short order.

    I'm a bit surprised anyone that justified the wiretaps and the potential to catch terrorists didn't voice their opinion.

    :)
     
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    Give it time....
     
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  14. usasportstraining

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    #14
    What about just chipping the Ron Paul supporters?
     
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    Hell I wouldn't even be for chipping the Bush supporters :D
     
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  16. usasportstraining

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    #16
    At this point we can probably find the one or two people that still support him. I still think they should be (wood) chipped.
     
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  17. Toopac

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    Haha lol

    I wouldn't want to be chipped:eek:
     
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  18. usasportstraining

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    #18
    Too late! I've already shot you with my rifle!

    [​IMG]


    But seriously, nobody would argue for chipping felons, illegal immigrants that repeatedly come back to the US and possibly commit crimes, etc?

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  19. GRIM

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    Illegal immigrants I would have no problem with chipping and deporting, US citizens NO WAY in hell. No matter what they did, they still are US citizens, opening up the government with that type of power over any citizen is an extreme danger.
     
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    It's a slippery slope.

    Gimme the second amendment right to bear arms, dump the non-violent offenders from prison so the system can work, and stop the entitlement and reward system for illegals, and I will handle my own business.

    Imagine you get chipped one day for drunk driving. Or smoking medical marijuana. Or for mis-filing your taxes. Or for losing your ID outside the country and trying to get back in through the embassy.

    Forget about it. If they ever try some crap like this and there isn't a massive popular uprising, I'm going to Nepal to live on the side of a mountain in a Yurt with a small herd of goats and a toothless Nepalese woman who loves me.

    LIVE FREE OR DIE.
     
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