A Jehovas Witness Woman Dies - refused blood...

Now that's amusing. I edited you out of that mental picture anyway...LOL

 

Vague? Let's "they" equals the Watchtower, if that's too vague let's say the current governing body. Non-vague enough? By dictate, you do fall in line with everything they tell you including blood, Christmas, birthday, the cross, the deity of Christ, the Trinity, serving in the military, saluting the flag, heaven, salvation, service, and dealing with former members? You know you can't deviate from their dictates.

Remember I've been given copies of Awake and the Watchtower, I have a copy of the Greek Interlinear with the correct word for word translation next to the JW changed version that I got from Brooklyn, I have a copy of Reasoning from Scripture, and other resources and have a lot of information on the net from the organization and those who spent time there. So it's not some far away land that I know nothing about, in fact you live in a far away land and I live in the home country of the Watchtower.

Surely you have better things to do than to try and bring down Christianity based on an ever changing works based man made religion.

 

Ahem...pardon me Sir....you are the one trying to bring our organization down and you are the one doing all the finger pointing and attacking and accusing and the slandering....need I go on??

I just show people what the Bible says on matters on not what man says. You just do what you think you ought to do and continue attacking and accusing. No matter what you say and do. Our organization is growing exponentially and there is not a thing you can do to stop it. Why? Because it is the truth that people seek and it is the truth what people are seeing, regardless of your biased attempts to blind them.

 

Pointing out fact, figures, history, and court records is not slandering, Colin.

You need to check your facts on church growth, in Australia in 2006 you had 63,000 members doing 9.7 million hours of field work and you got 1368 baptisms. That would 2.2% increase if there are no deaths or disassociations. BTW this is not slander it came from the Watchtower's annual report. I thought there was about 3500 hours of service per conversion but this report shows in countries like Oz and the US, it now takes 7100 and 6700 hours per conversion respectively. That's not the power of the true Gospel.

 

Did I mention Australia? I was referring to the worldwide statistics. I think it's mildly amusing you declaring stats to me that I already know about....LOL What point were you trying to prove with that? To show me up?

You make it sound like a sales target of which in actual facts is the opposite. As I said before, those who are seeking the truth will find it and there is nothing you can do or say to stop that. OK, you might delay one or two who read these threads from finding the truth but if they are honest and open minded they will eventually find it.

I agree pointing out these facts of figures, history, and court records is not slandering. However, if you were to go through your prior posts you did not stop at just these. You accused of dishonesty, lying and murder. If that's not slander then what is?

 

So since everything in the JWs life revolves around the organisation (Watchtower), wouldn't a more appropriate name for JWs be Watchtowerites

 

Didn't you already say this in a duplicate post? Oh! No one must be paying attention. You could always say it three times???

Having fun yet?

 

OK, 5371 hours per convert worldwide and 3.9% baptism rate (death and departure data wasn't subtracted). If these were stats that you knew why did you say exponential when growth was approximately flat?

 

I apologise for the incorrect term. How about we leave it as a healthy growth rate? I don't look at the conversion rates anyway and you will find most of us don't. It's only a statistic. We are dealing with real people's lives here and not just numbers. I would think 3.9% of 6.74 million would be around the 250,000 mark. That's a whole bunch of people in one year in anyone's language.

The main point was that the number is growing and you or anyone else can't stop that.

 

I wouldn't call it a healthy growth rate when it's almost flat even with a huge efforts. It certainly is slowing from earlier growth rates and it will continue to struggle as more information is more accessible thanks to the internet and groups like Silent Lambs and outlets like You Tube.

 

Well, you are entitled to try and claim that "guess" even though it won't happen. Main reason is because they are web sites and in no way can they be trusted for accuracy. Anyone can submit articles about anything on the net and most people are very suspicious of the truth factor of web site content. As far as youtube goes, the same applies. Anyone can doctor up movies and has been done a million times before. However, when people meet us face to face and actually see for themselves what we are about and how we conduct ourselves, they can see the truth in that because it is real and not someone hiding behind a computer screen. That is something you can not ignore. There's a saying. "You can't get truth from lies or lies from truth."

 

Wathchower seems to be the only source you never doubt about it.

Bible was not good enough for you, so you've changed it.
Internet sources fit to you as long you think they speak for you. When they don't, they are not trusted for accuracy.

When someone shows you were wrong - you admit - and this is finally one thing why anyone still speaks with you here.

 

Well, you are entitled to try and claim that. Main reason is because you follow an organization that in no way can be trusted for accuracy. Anyone can create a religion about anything on the planet and most people are very suspicious of exclusive upstart sects. As far as the Watchtower goes, the same applies. Anyone can doctor up scriptures to fit doctrine, it has been done a million times before. However, when people meet JWs face to face and actually see for themselves what they are about and how they conduct themselves, they can see the truth is absent in that because it is not from God and it was concocted by a self proclaimed governing body of the day. That is something you can not ignore. There's a saying. "Figures never lie and liars never figure."

 

Again, how many people are here or there, tells nothing about how good or how right they are.

 

Those seem powerful words but in reality they are so weak. Why? Because you have nothing at all to back that up with. I'll just keep doing my job and meet people face to face and you just sit behind your screen and keep doing what you do (whatever that is).

You said it! Ain't mirrors wonderful this way?

Wrong. You think I don't use other sources? That's a very weak argument.

Really? That's odd. I thought Westcott and Hort did? Oh! By the way, how many times has the KJ been changed? Now, I wonder what name was omitted from that translation about 7,000 times?? Hmmmmmm.

I don't trust the major part of internet sources as I have already said before.

I have no idea what your point is here. You wanna rephrase that?

 

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Wathchower seems to be the only source you never doubt about it.[/QUOTE]

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Wrong. You think I don't use other sources? That's a very weak argument..

I see that you use them, I did not say that you don't. It is you who twisted words.


About your next question:

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When someone shows you were wrong - you admit - and this is finally one thing why anyone still speaks with you here.

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I have no idea what your point is here. You wanna rephrase that?

It's about this:

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Our organization is growing exponentially

The fact that you are preparing to correct yourself, is probably the reason why we - posters - didn't start to ignore you for your constant twisting of logic.

 

OK then, this is now the third time: wouldn't you say that watchtowerites is a more appropriate term since everything revolves around the Watchtower teaching? Is that a yes or a no?

So just humour me since you're the one that said something about having fun. Tell me then, is there one single thing (you can come up with more than one) that you don't agree with from the teachings of the Watchtower? Show me now you can think independently.

I'll go first: I don't like female pastors (I don't think it squares with the Bible), I am not a big fan of rock music in church (even though it's thought to bring youth to church) and I believe they should use actual wine during communion just like in biblical times. There are other things I disagree with, things that my "organisation" allows, but then again, my allegiance is not to the "organisation" which I don't see as infallible.

 

Just curious:

1. Paul was not exactly the most woman-loving kind of guy from the Bible. (No Song of Solomon for him). But even given what I'd call his fear of woman, since Paul specifically discusses women prophets in Church - speakers of God's word (1 Corinthians 11), and since he also said women should remain silent in Church (1 Timothy 2), how do you handle the contradiction? If to pastor is to minister, is not a woman - who gives birth and nurtures life - a great choice to minister to a "flock?"

2. What is inherently wrong with rock music in church?

3. I am for drinking wine, whenever.

 

I had an interesting experience with a woman pastor. I took my wife to visit a church I had gone to in Santa Monica that I had attended when I first arrived in California. The pastor was gone and his wife filled in. She spoke on the seven churches in Revelations. Her teaching wasn't that strong and seemed to point out who all the failing churches were. That evening we went to our church in West Covina and our pastor covered the same passage (by divine appointment?) and took it from an introspective approach pointing out how each Christian would have the same failings in some way and we needed to lean on the grace of Christ.

Regarding music, I appreciate the depth of writing in the old hymns but find the old hymn music dragged out of an old pipe organ quite depressing. We are encouraged to sing a new song (Psalm 144:91).

I wouldn't' be big on introducing real wine due to some peoples susceptibility to alcohol and it would exclude children.

 

Statistically, n=1, and the sample was a "second stringer" to boot. Great sampling!

I had an interesting experience with a Baptist pastor once. He sported a bad tie. I went to another place, a Pentecostal, and he didn't. Wow! Guess the Pentecostal is the voice from on high.