Gtech I'm holding that itty bitty hand of yours super tightly here. The red is easily 'opinion' the blue however is not opinion, the bolded black is outright not an opinion. It is a 'fact' or attempt at fact, even if not true that is not opinion but a basis for the opinion. Take away the fact or unfactual point and the opinion collapses. Notice even in this 'opinion' the poster posts 'facts' hmmmmmm but it's all 'opinion'... ------- Granted some could have an opinion based on changing the color around a bit, that's not the point though, there is a huge difference from 'opinion' and using 'facts' or supposed 'facts' within an opinion.
Anyways, thoughts on getting bogus info from torture and or waterboarding? IMHO it can be more harmful than getting someone to confess. Many experts appear to believe that false statements come out of these methods of extracting intel. Not only could false intel lay a trap, it can put us an a wild goose chace, it can also blame one man for a bunch of things even if he's not to blame for them. Letting the other evil people off the hook. This situation creates a great scapegoat, hmmm does the positives outweigh the negatives?
Heh, yeah, when posts are deleted, it certainly would appear that way! The thread lost a couple of pounds since my last visit. I had forgotten that *someone* resorts to such when the chips are down. It seems he was catching on to what I was doing
Yes I deleted a post, you obviously have no ability or want to debate facts. Chips are down, yeah sure Gtech, keep telling yourself your little bitty lies. I know exactly what you were doing, being an axxhole as usual. It's funny though, your very definition of 'narcissism' would be you, posting stuff that means nothing for the 'last word' Pathetic, and that's about it. Gtech if you actually feel you won this debate, you really need to take your medicine.
Gtech there is a difference from 'thinking' 'opinion' and 'facts'. Posting incorrect facts are something I feel need to be corrected no matter on my feelings. You on the other hand have shown not to give a crap about facts, you have shown to only give a crap about your agenda. Gtech actually they did, I held your hand above and showed you what was posted as fact that was incorrect. I do argue against Ron Paul supporters Gtech when I see posts I feel are wrong, I definitely argue against terrorists, me and you have a totally different stance on who is tearing down the United States, I personally see you as a traitor to what this country was founded on, tearing it down in the name of 'terror' It just so happens you and a few of your followers continually post crap I disagree with, continually post false statements, ghee I wonder why I attack your posts more than others. Seriously is this the best you can do? Nope Gtech it's their opinion. I can disagree with their 'opinion' I can flat out call things to be not facts that they post as facts. You seriously need to learn the definition of opinion and fact. In your logic I could make a thread stating 'Is Gtech a Flaming Faggot' I post my opinion why I think you're a flaming faggot and put 'I saw you sucking XXXX' would that be a lie, or not in your logic that would be 'opinion' Even in opinion, facts can be posted, the poster in question posted items to be fact, when in reality they were wrong. It is not 'opinion' what McCain stated, it's not 'opinion' on what damage or death waterboarding can cause. Classic Gtech, change the subject to a lie in order to bypass debating facts he does not like. I love how you twist everything to 'narcissism, terrorist supporter, tearing down America, having it both ways, popularity contest, etc, etc' when you can not debate facts. You know what's funny, you yourself have classic symptoms of narcissism, you can not admit you are wrong so you change the subject. Yet again facts are not opinion, did you ever go to school? McCains statement, can waterboarding kill nor not, is not 'opinion' it is using a fact or lie within the opinion itself. Ahh twist there Gtech. Yes it is McCains opinion, my point was the poster claiming McCain did not say it was torture, you are totally changing that around. Nice attempt at a twist there, too bad you failed. I posted facts of what McCains opinion is, someone can not claim a fact of what McCains opinion is when it is incorrect. Yet again, when Gtech can not argue facts go for the 'terrorist supporter' angle. How very sad and pathetic. No it is not, you however need all the help you can get. Nope others use facts, you however prove over and over facts only are good when they are on your side. When they are not you don't even admit to them being a 'fact' Yet again with the 'head chopper' terrorist supporter crap, yeah and you're not a narcissist hey? Got a bridge to sell me? You are quoting my words totally out of context, taking a snippet of something, leaving out the basis of it, you know like those people do to Rush that you are always up in arms about. What I find hilarious is ONLY YOU see this. Nope I actually like being proven wrong Gtech, if it's actually 'proven' wrong. I unlike you like to learn. I however do not sit idley by when I see something posted I know is not a fact, when I know it to be incorrect. I see it as true weakness not saying something, even if it goes against my so called agenda. You have been proven wrong over and over Gtech, yet you wont admit it, You twist it to something else, which is true narcissism btw. Everyone has it to a degree, I suggest you do some reading. There goes Gtech with his inflated ego, thinking he knows more about someones thoughts than the person themselves. Simply because I stated I think it is torture, simply because I linked to facts to disprove incorrect statements posted that makes me somehow happy to see hundreds of thousands of Americans die vs a two minute waterboarding that can and has saved lives. Really Gtech, you know this do you? MMM, this same 'technique' can also prove to provide tons of false information that could cost more lives, but you know as long as you're happy, as long as you know more than the person about what they think, it's all good. Talk about a 'big head' and 'narcissist' you know more than me, about my opinion. Yeah, got another bridge to sell me? BTW, stating an opinion on if I feel it's torture, and simply linking to correct statements to disprove incorrect statements is not anywhere near what you claim it to be. The only reason you'd take such offence to it is if you know that the facts disprove your opinion, if the facts will make others not share your opinion, you know those pesky things called 'facts' that are not on your agenda. I could be totally for torturing them Gtech, if I read incorrect statements I knew to be incorrect I'd correct them. You have an inability to accept facts, a fear to correct, anything if it goes against your precious agenda. Facts are a good thing Gtech, why you are so afraid of them is simply amazing. Sigh Gtech, by definition in an argument if there is nothing else to respond to the person will not respond. That is not the last word, it's simply the way arguments work. There however have been many threads where you keep going and going with your rambling and I no longer take part in it. I guess that defeats your so called theory. By the way, when did you get your degree in psychiatry? Not at all Gtech, I argue when I see incorrect statements. I was not in anyway proven wrong on the surge Gtech, I actually posted my feelings which matched up with the actual military's feelings. Glad to know yet again you know more then what our brave men and women who are actually there know. In all future wars we should have little bitty bitter men like you fight them from the comfort of their own home, you've proven you know more than our brave men and women, so why the hell not. America was not founded on being pussies and giving up rights, full power to the president and not questioning those in power either Oh it wasn't a typo, you again know more than I do about my own typing, seriously? You proved me wrong on what about the constitution might I ask? This is the best you can do? I have been against the war from the beginning Gtech, you know when the war was popular and you were on that side like you still are? I have not changed my opinion. I also do not take the 'popular' side at all, I take the side I feel is correct, I take the side I see the facts support. Yet again you can't win the debate at hand, so twist it to crap as usual. Classic Gtech. Not at all Gtech. I have proven you wrong with facts, over and over and over and over again. Those facts when posted you decide to call 'opinions' you most of the time however wont even respond to them, sometimes you leave the thread, sometimes you counter with 'terrorist supporter' 'tearing down Aamerica' narcissist' 'two ways' 'popularity contest' etc, etc. Anything but 'facts' Not because I claim I have Gtech, simply because I have. You make it way, way too easy. When a fact disproves you it's pretty easy to see it.. Gtech please for the love of god take your medicine. Wake up and come into reality, the big bad evil terrorists will not get you. I am 2 seconds away from yet again putting the troll on ignore again. BTW I knew what you were doing with your little crazy phrases. The only problem is your argument holds no water at all, so your 'proof' is meaningless. I was trying to debate facts, you on the other hand decided to post stupid meaningless shit to 'prove' something. Your logic on that is simply 'out there' Either stop changing the subject or don't bother responding, seriously. Yes you can respond, just as I can ignore your ass. Back to the subject at hand or is that something you are incapable of doing?
The narcissism is thick today It was two posts. You forgot that I saw the first you made, then immediately deleted. Oddly enough, I made a response to it, then saw you deleted THAT one, so I removed mine too. I knew at that point, you were finally getting a clue to what I was doing! Good catch, it took long enough. A wonderful compliment that once you figured it out, you had to re-adjust what you were doing so I wouldn't appear to be right! I'm pretty much through toying with you today. Been moving into our new home all weekend and just taking a break to check up on messages and my favorite online toy Have a good weekend, and don't forget to shave your back!
I deleted only 'one' post that matters in the event of posts Gtech, that is the point I also deleted another post I made quoting someone else in this thread, neither of those 2 posts however went with the posts currently in the thread I actually delete posts often, where I decide after hitting submit I should just leave it alone. Those instances are a bit different from the one post I deleted after it was sitting in the thread for some time. I do not count those as the same as unless someone is stalking me 'you know like you' the post would more than likely not even be read. Gtech I figured out what you were doing immediately, I still had hope you'd try to actually talk about the topic at hand, and you know those pesky things called 'facts'. Again you however proved you can not. That was my only reason for responding to your crap and you know it. Toying with me? Gtech get out of your fantasy land, if being proven to be a lying twit is your idea of 'toying' I guess have at it. So yet again don't argue facts, go with your catchy 'narcissism' jabs, you know all you have So again when did you get your degree in psychiatry? Yet again the 'a' post deleted, the only one that is missing from the current events of posts was inbetween. and The other post which doesn't count Gtech as the event of posts is not missing as yours is not there either was deleted immediately after I posted You must have been stalking me so closely in order to post that quickly after me. I decided not to feed the troll, I stopped holding out hope you'd actually debate facts and stop being the lying little twit you are for once. --- BTW the reason I deleted the one post immediately is I knew all I'd get is more crap from you. The other post I knew you'd bring back as 'narcissism' Guess what, here we are and that's what you're doing. Didn't expect someone to test your theory out on you did you?... Give me a break, that ignore button sure is looking mighty fine about now. I wish I could ignore all pests, but you might just have to do. So what is a fool called who can not debate anything with facts, can not admit he is wrong, use fantasy to try to attack someone when he can not win? Not 100% sure on what it would be called, it does however describe you pretty damn well Gtech.
Facts were posted here and went largely ignored. Considering we now want to discuss "facts," I can't imagine why they went ignored. So in summary, I was correct. You originally claimed to have deleted a post (singular, and made an effort to bold it), then later admitted you deleted only one post that mattered, but acknowledged it was an additional post, making it TWO posts. Thank you for that correction. Have a pleasant evening
Those facts were not disputed now were they? Who is ignoring them? Afterall the discussion was not if waterboarding is taking place... So your point is? Reread what you posted.. What appears as in your own words would be only posts that matter, you know that 'one' post not any other posts. No correction Gtech, only 'a' post was deleted that had anything to do with the summary of posts. I deleted the other post almost immediately after I hit submit, it was not live long enough to be apart of the thread, nor did it remain part of the thread.. 'a' post was removed, only 'a' post mattered in the series of posts to 'appear that way' I delete posts often immediately after hitting submit, especially when it comes to a troll like you Only 'a' post that is apart of the current posts was removed, NOT two. If you'd read I actually deleted at least 3 all together, only 1 that was in the series of posts though. Next failed attempt?
My comments were spot on. "This thread lost a couple of pounds since my last visit..." I don't want to argue over your "opinion" of what a post is, and whether multiple posts equals a post. Good grief! My shoes are white, not red. Grim, have a wonderful evening
Since your last visit, it would be 'a' post by your own admission You admitted to seeing the one I deleted immediately being deleted, the one that is not included, the other one was before to someone else, leaving 'shock' 'a' single post. So it's not just my opinion, it is in fact yours as well.
Nope Gtech, just using what you said. Sorry your own words don't add up to what you claim. When and where did you get your psychiatry degree? You have yet to answer that..
Since your last visit Gtech... That is what YOU said. Hmm seeing as you admit you knew that one was deleted, in fact I knew you were still on, that would leave 'a' single post by any definition, including your own admission 'since your last visit'.
So was it one post, two posts, or three posts? Was it one post before it was two posts, or two posts before it was three posts, or three posts before it was back to one post? I really need a john kerry nuance modulator here! Thank you for the "stimulating" conversation.