Beating Wikipedia, MSN, Etc. ARRGGHH!!

Having beaten everyone that stood up to me in the SERPS, including official sites, I'm yet to best main sites like wiki, msn, and other related sites. It's pissing me off because there's no way to improve SEO any further unless I add more webpages and buy directories.

How do I beat these guys? It's not fair. Please give me some advice!

 

Is this to say you want to advertise on wikipedia, or wikipedia is out ranking you in the SERPs?

 

just be sure to have a unique content and link building with related sites

 

They are out ranking me in the SERPs, and I need to beat them. It seems impossible. They have millions of pages and a PR of 10.

 

Yea - It is really tough,

There is a good video on seomoz about this and it even mentions wiki

Whiteboard Friday - "Wiki-Wiki-Wiki WHACK!



Hope this helps

 

We need to look futher at the question before we can help you find an answer.
Question is
WHY? do you need to beat them?
Pride or sales since they aren't selling anyway.
Beating them is easy if you need to.
Consider this
I am guessing that you have a broad website that covers many topics.
Think of it as trying to burst a ballon with a knitting needle.
You need a sharp focused point, like a needle to burst a ballon.
Thus to beat the megasites it is not too difficult, but you need many smaller sites, each sharp like a needle and themed and niched. More work, but the easiest way. If the overall context is more niched e,g a site on Harrison Ford opposed to a apage on Wilkopedia, then you can beat them for the ocst of a domain name, and an evenings work.

 

Beating Wikipedia isn't too hard...they generally don't have too many deep links to each article, unless it's super popular.

 

I'm not trying to compete with wiki using an encyclopedia site. I just have a basic website with a keyword topic (ex.: cool beans) and Wiki has an article for that topic and their kicking my ass.

That video was pretty funny. I'm not trying to wiki-jack myself though. XD

Unfortunately for me, the wiki article I'm trying to beat has the most extensive information on the internet next to my site.

 

You will not beat a wiki article 99.9% of the time, it will always have more quality information and more trusted backlinks. I have seen keywords\key phrases with results above wiki entries, this are usually sites older than 5-6 years and have high PR and many backlinks.

 

More links with that anchor text you wish to rank for should do it.

 

You apparently have no idea how many backlinks most wiki articles have with this simple reply.

 

We are going round in circles.
Which is your domain
How long has it had this theme
Which country are you selling beans?

Note also no PPC competing.
I don't think this term will sandbox IMHO
As long as your domain is old enough
or replace it with one that has a "bean "
connection and older.

 

Who sells beans over the internet anyways?!

My the times are changing!

 

They also have lots of links from lots of domains with your keyword in the anchor text. That particular WP article is probably linked to from a dozen internal category pages, and from the sound of it, probably a great deal of blogs and possibly some news articles. That's a guess, since you said the article you're trying to compete with has the most comprehensive info on the net.

Like somebody else said, you could try to get more links from more places than the Wiki article ... but you're already finding out that's not easy. That's probably what it'll take, though.

 

Wikipedia uses ref="nofollow" in their external links, it would be useless.

 

It's impossible... no way! Ambitious is good but you are too much!..LOL

 

I'm not suggesting anybody go looking for links on Wikipedia; I said in order to out rank one of their articles you'll need to get more links from more places, which is a tall order.

 

I know, I was stating a fact outside of your already said comment, wasn't disagreeing with you

 

Actually I speak from experience. I had the same problem with Wiki and the BBC out ranking one of my sites for two highly searched keywords in the health niche, and with agressive link building with soley the anchor text of the keywords they ranked higher for, I managed to get the number one spot.