Are we born with free will according to the bible?

Why do you jump into threads like this? You are not here to answer the question. You are only here to rant and rave about your viewpoints.

Just in case you didnt notice it the question is Are we born with free will according to the bible? Note that the keywords here are "ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE" The question is NOT "Do you believe we have free will?"

 

Sorry, for a second there i thought you were a moderator.. it seems you were under than misconception also.

 

No not at all, I just asked you a simple question.

 

Would you be willing to accept the idea that you did not posess free will until you were saved?

 

Poor logic.

You have free will to decide what you want to do about yourself and not about others.
The man you want to kill, has a free will to pray to be saved.
God has free will to save the man or not.

God can save a man against your will. God can take your life against your will. You have free will to decide what to do with your life, but you have no command over the life itself.

 

human does not have free will.
no matter what your religion you are.
they have rules, law, tradition, religion that forbids the free will.
we only have free will in our imagination.
only GOD who have free will, he can do whatever he want.

 

Free will. Yes.

The free will to follow God or not. Just like you have a free will on this forum. BUT if you dissobey the rules you are going to be punished! Right?

If you die and meet God, who are you going to say forced you in your decision?

Humans can't live limitless lives but they still have a free will, thats why we have a brain.

 

Doesn't free will suggest that man is in fact saving himself. How would you explains Gods elect? It is my belief he has called to his elect and they will answer. But only those who he will call will answer.

As far as who forced the decison, it would be God

 

How do you define free will?

Where exactly in the bible is there a mention of free will? How does the bible define free will?

 

That isn't free will then.

 

According to Christian philosophy 'free will' is essential. It is the reason why God/Christ doesn't appear to the world everyday: if you were to know for sure that God existed you would live a pious and richeous (sorry about my spelling...) life so you wouldn't have free choice. By the very fact that you don't see God/Christ everyday you are totally free to live your life how you like - essentially you can choose to be Good or Bad...

Cheers, p.

 

Free will is a posibility a man have to decide to accept or reject the God.

Free will mentioned in the Bible:
(John 1,12 ) Yet to all who recieved him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
(Mathew 7,13) "Enter through the narrow gate."

But rather than picking out some statements, you can see that people in Bible has the possibility to choose.

Adam and Eve were told not to eat from that tree, but they still did.
Jesus asked his disiples, if they want to leave him and Peter replied: "Where should we go"...and they stood.

Free will doesn't give you the power to do with others' lives what comes across your mind. You can kill someone, but only if God will allow that.

 

So it's not free will then.

 

You can make fool of yourself or not, now this is a free will.

 

First i believe Adam and eve had free will, but we lost that after the fall of man,

Now

Psalm 139:16
16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me before one of them came to be.
In this verse it says "all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be" this implies that God determinded the exact day you would die BEFORE you were born now how can we have free will if God has already determinded when we would die for example say god ordained before i was born that tomarrow i would be hit by a bus he not only planned it he ordained it which also implies the he ordained the events leading up to me and being hit by a bus which means i could not have acted differntly doesn't this verse inply that we have no freewill?

 

You can't have it both ways. You can either believe god intervenes or you can believe we have free will. You can't claim both to be true.

 

We live in the world where time is passing by, God lives in the world where is no time. You're bothered with a question, how God knows what will happen, before you even decide to do this. I will give you the best answer you'll find it in this thread: I don't know (I'm saying this instead of some hundred words of philosophy).

If I personally have only good experience with the God and if I don't know anyone has bad experience with him, why should I think that the same God only made a joke when taught people through Gospel what to do to save your soul?

 

Why anyone argues with someone who is clueless is beyond me. You guys should put him on ignore. We did this with gworld who came into the threads with the same garbage that this guy does, gworld got so frustrated his posts got so bad he got banned.

That cleaned up about 10% of the DP trash posts right there.

So a bonehead has free will to try to shoot me in the head and I have free will to knock him out before he does. Oh booo hoooo. waaaa waaaa.... now I got in the way of his will, he still had the will to shoot me, but my will was stronger and he can't poor baby.... now he will have to go tell his mommy on me for not letting the spoiled brat get his way... boo hoo...

 

You were born and you'll (probably) die. The moon is moving around, if you want or not, someone survives, if God wants and you don't want. There are some things you cannot influence.

You can partly influence on many things. You can say a smart word to someone and he will listen to you (or not).

And you have total influence on some things, like, if God gives you a good advice, you can accept it or not. If you refuse good advice at the time, God may intervene and give you good advice again and again, and you can refuse it again and again. There are some things you can freely accept or not.

 

I'm not talking about changing the fact that the moon orbits the earth.

the point is if god intervenes we can't have free will, By definition.
If we do have free will god can't intervene, By definition.

You can't have a god that intervenes and free will at the same time. it's impossible.

You have to pick one or the other.