You know there are some similarities between you muslims and JWs? The similarities are you only deal with the part that deals with Jesus humanity not with His divinity. But really, if anyone was to talk about the subject of religion and about Jesus, I don't think the founder of a religion who takes a 8 year old as his daughter should be given much attention. 8 year old?? And this child molestor is your leader?
LOL may because No parts of the corrupt bible claim jesus's divinity, hey bible-genuis, show me anywhere in the bible were jesus says, I am God, worship me.
Ok but first let me ask you: what do you think of someone who marries an 8 year old little girl? You answer me and I will show you that part of the Bible that you asked about. Of course you will claim the Bible is not correct and therefore unreliable but nevertheless I will show you as soon as you answer the question above.
As for muhammed (pbuh), he married Aisha through her parents, you know why, because 1000+ years ago, people had a different culture, it was the NORM. Now the prophet married Aisha according to the custom of the times, life spans were much shorter and its common in arabia for girls to enter puberty at the age of 8. THIS WAS COMMON PRACTICE ALL OVER EUROPE AT THE TIME, we are talking over 1 and a half thousand years ago. Child brides as young as 8 were common among ROMAN emperors and nobility: http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm Muhammad (pbuh) never once engaged in sex outside of marriage, nor did he ever approve of it, even though it was very common at the time. His only relationships with women were in legitimate, contractual marriages with proper witnesses according to law. His relationship to Ayesha was only that of marriage. He did not marry her the first time her father offered her hand to him in marriage. He married her only after she reached the age of puberty and could decide for herself. Their relationship is described in every detail by Ayesha herself in the most loving and respectful manner. Ayesha is considered as one of the highest scholars of Islam and lived out her entire life only having been married to Muhammad, peace be upon him. She never desired any other man, nor did she ever utter a single negative statement against Muhammad, peace be upon him. Btw, Mary was 13 when she had jesus. ------------------ Now show me anywhere in the bible were jesus says, I am God, worship me.
Ace: copy and paste is not going to do it for me this time. I asked you a simple question: what do you think of someone who marries an 8 year old little girl? The emphasys was on the word YOU (Aceday) not on what emperors did or what Mohammed did or how much Aisha loved him etc. So let me make sure I get YOUR opinion, here's the question again: what do you think of someone who marries an 8 year old little girl? Try and use YOUR words this time
My opinion is it was fine because this was the norm 1,400 years ago, a time when many people died at the age of 40, it was not rare, uncommon, like today. -------- OH COME ON, STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT! Where is my quote from the bible????????????
Old Testament Isaiah 9,6 (prophecy) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jeremiah 23:5-6 New Testament: I and the Father are one†(John 10:30) And Thomas answered and said unto him [Jesus], My Lord and my God. John 20:28 (Notice, Jesus did not correct Thomas) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58
It is quite unfortunate that in the old Jewish culture, people used to be named "Godly" names. This is quite misleading and deceiving to Christians when they try to define Jesus. Psalms 82:5 "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6 is "El Gibor". This is not exactly "Mighty God", but close. "Strong" is more correct (but it is different from strong of "hazak"). Here both El and Gibor are nouns - this is short full spell is "El Hu Gibor". Anyway "El Gibor" and "Gabriel" are same thing. They both mean "Strong God". "Gabriel" is an angel's name in the Bible. The word "Gibor" in Isaiah 9:6 and the word "Gibor" of Gabriel have exactly the same root, and they are both the same word. The word itself can also be translated as "Man of God". By the way, "EL" can also mean "Judge". So "El Gibor" can also be translated as "Strong Judge". The reason why the foretold person would be regarded as "Mighty God" is not because he will be GOD Almighty Himself. His name or title being "Mighty God" is nothing but a way to show that the person will be very important and very powerful. He will be like a God on earth because of his Might. I must emphasize that again, the person's "NAME" will be called "Mighty God". Isaiah 9:6 never said that the person will be GOD Almighty Himself, or GOD Almighty will be that person. The word "NAME" means that the name will be just a (misleading) Godly title as many misleading Godly titles were given to others before and after Jesus peace be upon him in the Bible. I must also emphasize that in the New Testament, Jesus was not even once called or addressed as "Mighty God" or "God", nor did he ever claim to be "Mighty God" or "God". So if he were indeed the foretold person in Isaiah 9:6, then this means that Jesus peace be upon him is not GOD Almighty, but a powerful Messenger of GOD Almighty or someone who has Might that was chosen by GOD Almighty. The Jews believe that the person is Hezekiah and not Jesus. Either way, the person in Isaiah 9:6 is not GOD Almighty Himself. ---------------------------------- Lord doesn't necessarily mean GOD!!! all the prophets were Lords of their people, nothing to do with divinity. I was waiting for this verse Because you took it totally out of context, he is referring to purpose clearly, not being one person... when you read it in context!!!!!!!!! I can prove this further for you from the bible, John 17:21 Does it mean all the 14 disciples are going to be God, ofcourse not, he is clearly talking about purpose! He and the father are one in purpose! John 14:28 ------------------ No no no, this is bigtime wishful thinking... Thomas is NOT calling Jesus his lord and God, he is replying, 'My Lord and God', he could be simply proclaiming his faith or something, this is too vague, either way Jesus did not say it. If you base your faith in the trinity on this vague line, i am inclined to feel sorry for you. Also 'God', does not necessarily mean THE God in the bible. Psalms 82:5 --------------- lol, this is very sad really, you are looking at this eastern book full of metaphors and similes, then taking it literally. Because he was with God, because you were there and everyone was their, IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD. So Jesus is telling the people, before Abraham came to you, he existed LIKE jeremiah. Jeremiah 1:5 --------------- Let us look at Acts 2:22 "O you men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God among you..." Peter in the Book of Acts testifies about Jesus. Jesus thus even to his disciples, as to early Christians, not poisoned by Pauline doctrine, was a man, not a God.
I didn't realise a true christian only takes care of his own, give me a break. I read lots of history, it was actually my best subject. You know the history I know of, unlike you who continues to make incorrect statements. I am not a defender of atheists, islam, or abortion. I tollerate and understand others have different beliefs, unlike you. Again if you were not attacking they would not need 'defending' you are your own undoing, you need to learn how to debate, seriously. Abortion, I understand there is a time and place for it. Rape victims, the mothers life in danger, before the baby is a baby doesn't make it much different than birth control. You however show nothing more than a hate filled inability to have any tollerance at all, didn't know that was the way of the christian. If anyone needs to repent it would be you with your FALSE and radical UNCHRISTIAN like ways. I do deal with facts, unlike you. You continue to post incorrect statements. Your own posts show the fact/opinion that I have posted. You yourself have proven to be what you claim you are not. A christian terrorist, if you had the balls you would go the whole nine yards and become a terrorist. It's not had to follow if you had any logic, you are a radical, you are not a true christian. Just like the muslim terrorists ae radicals of their religion, you are the same, only difference you don't have the balls to do anything more than spout off online. BTW you continue to prove you were not after simple questions being answered, you are totally showing an intollerance. Yet again, multiple times in this post, yet this above takes the case. 100% proof showing you had a motive for this thread and your others, far beyond a simple discussion. I said this hey? Making up facts as you go along? I guess why not, I believe you need to research the word fact BTW. You are far from a true christian, you are exactly what my church warned me about. False christians, who think they are true christians, when in fact you're far from it, you stand for everything the bible DOES NOT!
So it's ok for you to quote the old testament for your cause, but not ok for others? Confusing double standard you have there.
The old testament is still a part of the bible, and the question was to quote something from the bible. Besides the question at hand has nothing to do with the rules we are to follow as Christians.
Ace, if you torture the grammar long enough it will confess to anything. Again, there are many verses that deal with the humanity of Jesus and others that deal with His divinity. I am just surprised you never found anything about the verse in Isaiah where it says He will be called Everlasting Father. Now what is the arabic meaning of "Everlasting Father"?? Quick, go and do another search on this subject. If you can't find anything, let me see if I guess it right: "That part of the Bible is corrupt proteindude."
Read again, the quote talks about a belief we have as christians. If it's a belief, the quote must also be a quote we believe in, nice try though, better luck next time...
I didn't know theology was also your strong point. And this coming from a guy who says as a Christian you don't have to go to church.
I may be misunderstanding you but it sounds like you are saying we do not believe in the old testament. If that is the case let me assure you we do believe in it. There are just certain things that were practiced then, that aren't practiced now. Again forgive me if im misunderstanding you
Coming from a guy who thinks he's a christian because he goes to church. I am not saying 'we' practice anything, I am simply showing proteindude dismisses anything posted by anyone else he does not agree with from the old testament, yet uses it to for his side of things when he sees fit.
If the Old Testament is from God, then why leave out some parts of it? That is total disrespect to God. We Muslims do not leave ANYTHING from the Quran because those are God's words.
No, you keep trying to pin a verse directed to a certain people (or person) and certain time and somehow make it show that it is for someone today. OR you take verses wildly out of context with the perverted view of a muslim imam who wrote it on a website, so you take it as fact. What verses will you post next? Or will you just say something about Pauline theology instead of showing us how Paul saw Jesus different than Jesus saw Himself.
Relax buddy, I just asked if you say you believe in the Old Testament then why throw out the parts that don't suit your needs. To me that's not what God would of wanted; a human throwing out God's words. That's not a way of life to me. A way of life has to be perfect with no contradiction whatsoever. Who's Paul (the bounty hunter that hunted Christians)? Luke? John? Matthew? Mark? Who are these people? They never walked, talked, prayed, ate with Jesus (pbuh)??? What's up with the bible written by these people? "According to Paul.." According to...John, Luke..etc If it's according to, then where are God's words????? Where in the world is it accepted that a book with 4 different authors writing about one person who they never met ??? Only the Bible!
GRIM, get ready: I am about to post something else. Ready, set go. Let me make something VERY clearly to you: I don't know where you get your theology from but I have to tell you, it's not ortodoxy. Meaning it's not main stream Christianity but some weird doctrines that you use to justify yourself and your deceived thinking. You know how you can tell something is of the devil? You ask yourself questions: would God want me to go to church or stay home? Who would be more pleased with me staying at home: God or the other guy?