A Jehovas Witness Woman Dies - refused blood...

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  1. M5love

    M5love Well-Known Member

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    Cheap SEO Services, I respect your beliefs but I disagree with you on "organization" part.. If you look at the Tablighi Jamaat, it has millions of followers from around the world and yet it has no hierarchy, yearly meetings, publications, press, dress code, etc... The only message they preach is of ONE GOD. :)

    It draws many followers everyday and many convert to Islam because of the effort of the Tablighi Jamaat.
     
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    #42
    Is this so? Look. I am not going to get into an argument or a discussion over who has the best organization. It is pointless to do so. However, I responded to someone stating something about my faith. I don't have a blind faith as many people do. My faith is an informed faith. It's the only true way to be a believer of God. I don't know anything about the Tablighi Jamaat, nor do I want or need to know. I might do some reading up on them a bit later for a bit of research on other religions.

    There is "preaching" and there is "preaching". I follow Christ. He was the ultimate preacher and from the Bible he teaches us how to go about teaching others to also follow him. All I can say is that we are fulfilling the prophecy in Matthew 24:14. We are getting the message right around the globe, face to face. As far as I can tell, no one else is doing this anywhere near the scale we are doing it.
     
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    #43
    Seems to me then you are clearly going AGAINST the Bible then."I know the prophecies were false but...."

    A bit like the homosexuals that go to church and believe homosexuality is OK. "I know that according to the Bible homosexuality is not Ok, but..."
     
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    #44
    Nice attempt of taking what I said out of context. I was referring to the organizations interpretations of the prophecies in the Bible.
     
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    #45
    Unlike you I don't make excuses for false prophets or prophecies. Because I follow the Bible.

    The founder of JW's made so many errors in the beginning that were later corrected. I wonder in a few years from now how many of your currently held doctrines will also be proven wrong and changed by none other than more "enlightened" JW's.

    I for one, like to stick with the Bible: false prophecy=false prophet. (No matter how much I love the organisation)
     
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    #46
    So you think the organization should be punished for making a mistake? You follow the Bible huh? Can't see that for reading Colossians 3:13 in regards to what you say here.

    Only time will tell. You just keep waiting and watching. Pay attention now won't you?

    Matthew 7:1-2 applies to this statement.
     
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    #47
    Which version? :D
     
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    #48
    What does it matter, most versions are the same just different wording that has the same meaning. Now there are a couple that have been adjusted to fit a religious belief, but most follow the originals and have been found accurate based on the oldest manuscripts found - ever hear of the dead sea scrolls.

    Oh, never mind, you already know this, you just want to continue the islamist fairly tail.

    "Nothing to see here. Please move along."
     
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    #49
    Hey bud, I respect your beliefs. Just a sincere question. Which version of the Bible do you follow? The New King James version?
     
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    #50
    back to the topic kidz... :D
    now to JW member, is it true that JW forbid their member to have blood transfusion?
    and the reason is?

    is it true that some Christians deny JW is Christians? or JW is different religion with Christians?
     
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    #51
    JW's are very nice people. They would not blow you up or attack you or anything like that. The mormons are also a bunch of nice people. I mean this with sincerity.
    However, because of their doctrines and way of governance main stream Christianity classifies JWs and Mormons as cults hence not part of Christianity
     
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    #52
    so, what are the big differences between christianity and JW?
     
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    #53
    Also like the christians that;
    Work on Sunday (punishable by death)
    Wear mixed fiber clothes
    eat shell fish
    Go to church (how ironic)

    Anyway, as for this woman; Natural selection.
    Shame she didn't have the same amount of love for her family as she had for an imaginary friend who makes unreasonable requests.
    These people make me sick.
     
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    #54
    stOx, before you give yourself another merit badge have you considered that the Bible is made up of the Old and NEW Testament? Do you spot the difference between Old (past) and New (current)?
     
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    #55
    uh oh, Do i have to make another "try harder" badge for you?

    Matthew 5:17
    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished"

    According to the bible (NT) the OT is supposed to be followed. But that just isn't convenient in this day and age is it. it's far easier for you to just select which bits you want to follow while espousing hatred for others who don't follow the same bits as you, like the hypocrite that you are. Go back to eating shrimp, Wearing poly/cotton shirts and working on Sundays SINNER!
     
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    #56
    WOW: an atheist and an avid student of the Bible. Or perhaps not. I'm not sure where you get your theological answers from but seems to be one of those atheists.org sites again.

    Jeremiah 31; 31-32 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

    Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, ..." (Old Testament)

    Hebrews 8;8-9 "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
    Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord."
     
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    #57
    So you are picking which bits you want to believe? I guess you have to, what with the bible being contradictory and you being a hypocrite.

    But really, if you look at logically, the passages you quoted don't dismiss the old testament, it only says there are to be a new covenant. if someone introduces new laws that doesn't invalidate old laws. Especially if the person making the laws had previously said "by the way, the old stuff? You still have to follow it".

    But you carry on selectively reading the "word of god" and just don't pay attention to the bits that are inconvenient or that you don't feel like believing. Oh, And don't forget to hate them gays, because where a grown man puts his penis is definitely something which you are entitled to have an opinion on. :rolleyes:

    have another "try harder" badge.
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    #58
    There are quite a few differences. Three of the big ones are:

    1) Jehovah's Witnesses preach the good news of the Kingdom globally.
    2) Jehovah's Witnesses recognise Go, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are completely three different things. I.E. Jesus is not God and neither is the Holy Spirit.
    3) Jehovah's Witnesses abstain from blood.

    There are more but usually others focus on these three mainly.

    Col :)
     
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    I don't think in the verses quoted it says: "I will add new commandments". I think when someone comes to your shelter and asks for a NEW animal you don't stick a moustache on a dog or something like that. You understand they want a NEW dog.

    I see you remembered my posts about gays. I wonder where I got the idea that homosexuality is a no-no :confused: Does that mean I hate gays? NO. I wish they would repent of their evil ways but then again that's just me. And perhaps you believe the homosexuals just keep it to themselves. And yet you have laws in UK that make it MANDATORY for foster parents to teach about sodomites, you have a Swedish pastor arrested for preaching IN HIS CHURCH against homosexuality, you have California deleting mum and dad from school books. But hey, you don't have any kids. You are too concerned with your animals at the shelter to care about other things. So I see it means you still believe homosexuals keep it all to themselves.

    stOx, sometimes I wonder what is the point in discussing things with you because you still believe Jesus is NOT the most influential person ever and YET he is the one you know most about of all the religious persons.

    I see you loved my idea about badges and perhaps you're now congratulating yourself: "Man I am so original.";)
     
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    Ahh unlucky. Good attempt at an analogy, But the conclusion is flawed.
    When someone asks for a new dog do they want you to take away their old dogs and replace them? (we don't have dogs though, it's a wildlife rescue charity)

    are you still crying because i don't believe jesus is the most influential person? here's some advice, If you can only handle being told one answer, Don't ask for peoples opinions. You asked a question and i answered, deal with it.

    See this is the difference between you and me. i provide evidence for everything. you on the other hand try to paint people in to corners with contrived questions which you incorrectly think only have one possible answer, The answer you want. Then when people give an alternative answer to your contrived, Dishonest abomination of a question you simply repeatedly say their answer is wrong, Even though you asked for their opinion.
     
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