widgetbucks are cheating us

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by tornad0, Nov 4, 2007.

  1. sandyfeet

    sandyfeet Peon

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    #41
    WidgetBucks does their audits after the companies that pay them do their audits first. People need to understand that! If you have low conversions, you will have lower rpc is how I see it.

    If your site produces only clicks, expect to earn less. If your site produces some leads, then your site will do better. If your site produces NO clicks, I'd go somewhere else...seriously.

    Example: Shopping.com pays mostly per lead. If most of your clicks convert to leads, your earnings goes up. If your clicks produce very little to no leads, your earnings goes down.

    *I tested Shopping.com to see for myself...they did not count all impressions, just the same as WidgetBucks. I had 65 impressions(really should have been like 500 impressions), 27 clicks and 23 of those clicks were leads....earned me $1.00. Payment per lead was $0.04..... just plain clicks earn you little to nothing. Shopping.com pays WidgetBucks on mainly RPL basis. So, WidgetBucks has to keep adjusting RPC depending on if and when your clicks are producing leads.

    Hope I did not lose anyone....
     
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  2. rudeturk

    rudeturk Well-Known Member

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    #42
    im earning over 100$ a day through widgetbucks when its on red, however when they are confirmed, it changes to 40-70$ a day.
     
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  3. sandyfeet

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    #43
    So, obviously your site is producing leads...but not enough to keep your earnings at $100. ;)
     
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    godmode Well-Known Member

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    #44

    i dont understand how do they even qualify as a PPC network. PPC means pay per click it doesnt matter if it converts or not. Either show real time stats or dont call yourself a PPC network.

    I do understand that conversions matter but how about doing the calculation once and for all and not changing the figure every other day?

    Secondly, if people are so desparate to try WB i strongly advice them to do some direct affiliate marketing rather than working for WB as sub-affiliate.

    WB is nothing but an affiliate and you can too do the same thing and simply kick the middleman.

    Make the same money WB makes rather than getting petty cash.
     
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  5. sandyfeet

    sandyfeet Peon

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    #45
    That's exactly what I did and went right to shopping.com to see for myself. ;) It's still quite the same as WB, but the ads are less attractive therefor there are less clicks than with WidgetBucks so it still evens out.

    Either way, you really end up with the same pay. They both do audits and they both count impressions improperly. However, WB is cpc based(you still get paid per click even if you don't get the lead) and Shopping.com is cpl based....so you need to get leads in order to earn.

    I still prefer WB for my site.
     
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  6. mojtata

    mojtata Well-Known Member

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    #46
    you can use affiliate programs insted adsense also.But adsense is much easier
    to manage as well as widgetbucket.
    In addition adsense and widgetbucks look very good.
    Especial widgetbucks.
    They have perfect ctr even if they are above the fold.
     
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  7. scoopy82

    scoopy82 Active Member

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    #47
    Zero-cent clicks... and end of the month adjusted rates... is that not the same thing that happens with adsense (along with smartpricing) ? In the end... I think WB will be a nice compliment to adsense and make a nice additional paycheck for some niches.
     
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  8. GettyCash

    GettyCash Active Member

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    #48
    Here is the answer from WidgetBucks team regard to October earnings and referrals fees. I wonder how many referrals of mine are active.

     
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  9. geomark

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    #49
    My post audit numbers for the first four days of November - I'm getting about 2% CTR and average 9 cents per click. That's not a very exciting RPC, and adjusted down quite a bit from the initial estimated RPC around 16 cents. But in my case I replaced Adsense blocks that were getting less than 1% CTR and 3 cent clicks. So WidgetBucks is looking pretty good in comparison, a factor of more than 6X improvement in earnings over Adsense. Now I'm just waiting to see how long before users become blind to that flashy widget and my CTR drops to sub 1% again.
     
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  10. thsadmin

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    #50
    Well being blind to it may be a good thing - right now it may be working against us as many clicks may be from visitors who are curious and not wanting to purchase.

    Still it should not be promoted as a PPC it should be promoted as a CPM or Paid Per Sale/Comission type site.
     
    thsadmin, Nov 6, 2007 IP
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    juniper Well-Known Member

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    #51
    did you see red or black $215?
    red ones are not confirmed.
     
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    #52
    Either are black - they're not even confirmed yet LoL ... mine still drop in the black.

    So there's several processes we don't know about.
     
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  13. geomark

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    #53
    It is promoted as a CPM program. Go to the WidgetBucks home page - they talk about the CPM rates not about PPC rates.

    Maybe that's why I'm not confused. I read about the program at the WidgetBucks website. Maybe elsewhere it was referred to as a PPC program.
     
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    #54
    From WidgetBucks :

    So Um *Cough*

    Can you plz repeat that again.
     
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    #55
    lol
    I guess they are a PPC after all :rolleyes:
     
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    #56
    I like this high lighted bit ^^ .... I get well over, shame I can't bloody log in to check it though .... DoH.
     
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  17. geomark

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    #57
    Ok, I never read past the first page where all they mention is CPM. Still, it doesn't seem confusing to me how it works. Is it the fact that they adjust the RPC after they audit that has everyone tweaked?
     
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    #58
    Not really confused - but I feel that it should be known and shared : the way that they do audit sites and the reasons why.

    There's no (official) reasons stated or answers why the CPC is so random.
     
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  19. geomark

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    #59
    I'll agree with that. That's the kind of thing that made publishers so mad at Chitika.

    I think the CPC changes so much entirely because of conversions. I have the same category running on two of my sites and the CPC is much lower on one of them. From past experience with other affiliate programs I know visitors to that site almost never buy anything.
     
    geomark, Nov 6, 2007 IP