Sure, we can argue that - the Bomb. I was just pointing out that Pearl Harbor wasn't exactly "out of the blue" as popular history would like to suggest.
Hell on him ! and to the ones that gave the orders to him.The war has rules you don't kill children , innocent civilians. If you think that America is right on killing innocent people than you should also agree that Iran should have atomic weapons I am sure that they are thinking like you andf they could make a washington and NewYork day they can take the will of war from Americans. Do we have a japanese friend here , what do you think of these horrible events ? Actually if it was done to my country , I would die for revenge. Japanese people are real good and forgive as far as I see.
Oh, those war rules and japan and germany completely ignored? I'm sorry, but wants the fight turns dirty its gonna stay dirty. No one ever expects war to be pretty and fun and even politically correct. Get over it.
Yepp. But alas no one told that to Japanese who treated Chinese men, women and children alike.... while slaughtering them... Actually if you were Japanese seeking for revenge, you should have died of shame, for being one of the key players to start world war 2....
Yes sure , humanity have not found a solution to share the world , we say we are developed , clever etc but we are just the same as lemnings.Our history is full of wars. But we have depoloped some rules for wars , we are against war crimes , what Usa did in Japan was a war crime.At least they should have attacked a military base before. But at least war has some rules you can not kill innocent people , children you have to aim the military units otherwise we have to say that Usame Bin Laden is at war with Usa so he can attack the cities.There is bad and worse this one is worst I wonder what are the thoughts of Japanese people on this event can some one advice me a book for this ?
You see how many Americans have little to no regards when it comes to killing civilians from other countries when they decide to do so? Double standards, cheating, lies, evil selfishness this is what is going to bring America down. These people don't really love America. Those who truly love America don't commit such acts that bring shame on US.
Osama is free to attack whatever he wants, everyone understands this, we know nothing is off bounds for him, he's in a total war with us & we accept that. That's the concept of total war.
I've had trouble with the use of the atom bomb, as I have with the use of the firebombing campaign over Tokyo. My read of the history is that it is at least not clear cut that Gen. Macarthur's plan, which avoided the bomb, would have failed. That said, I wasn't there, and I'd venture none of us debating here were, either. It is extremely clear that neither Tojo nor Hitler had any moral compunction against using whatever means necessary at their behest to win their war, and had they won, a good many of us would probably not be speaking here. I just don't know that we gained any moral ground by employing the same methods they (would have) employed. At the end of the day, unfortunately, since at least Clausewitz and Sherman, the division between "enemy" and "civilian" has been ineluctably blurred.
Whenever I see people talking about civilian casualties of WWII, I feel that yeah okay, we are still human, Yeah we care for each other. But when I look close at the discussion, I feel like hell, WTF!! Is it all about evil America and poor Japanese? No one gives a fuck to poor Chinese. Nearly 16 million Chinese civilians died in WWII. Who gives a fuck about the death of 11 million Soviets? Yeah, right, Soviet were evil, just like America, And Chinese? did they exist that time? Japanese killed millions of Chinese, Indo-Chinese (French), and many others... Cry a river for them too, folks. Yes Japanese didn't use the atom bomb, but still they managed to kill, Slaughter, Rape Millions of people... Who cares? Talk about civilian deaths and rules of war, fuck, you don't even know about how many civilians died, and who killed them.
Webmaster, I don't know if you are including me in your above statement, because if so, you couldn't be more wrong. As a deep student of history, and this era in particular, I am fully aware of the atrocities committed by the Japanese, Germans, and Soviets, our allies, as well. As I said, my moral quandary is that any use of mass destruction - such as Doolittle's raids, which isn't talked about as much as its more dramatic cousin - makes our moral argument just a bit weak. But I also know that hell, I wasn't alive then, and to judge our history after the fact, as an armchair historian, is pretty useless.
I can't believe you just wrote this. No one is saying that events like the Nanking Massacre were justified. Just consider the fact that people who got evaporated by the bombs were not the ones in China. The Japanese government might have "deserved" it, but certainly not the people who were forced into the war.
Thanks this leaves me alone Imo the point here is about A-bomb , I have read about Japanese army in China thats another horrible fact but this does not clear the A-bomb and killing of innocents.
They deserved it period. It wasn't like the targets where not military targets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Choice_of_targets These 2 cities were a MAJOR importance to the Japan war effort, we could of just fire bombed them, it would of killed the same if not more people and they would of suffered much more. I personally would rather be vaporized then burn to death. Destruction of these cities not only shocked and awed the japs but hit them hard in military production. Firebombing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_in_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/peace/the-atomic-bombings-of-hiroshima-and-nagasaki
Believe it, because I just wrote that. Many things here. 1) Getting 'evaporated' in the fraction of second is better than being tortured and raped for days or months. 2) When the people stands by government in the matter of war, they get involved. 3) When you talk about the civilians. That too in world war 2 It's totally pointless to comment who did the evilest thing. Japanese committed serious war crimes, so they saw it coming. Prior to bombing, they were asked to surrender. They declined and faced the heat. They paid what they did to other civilians. If anyone was responsible for all those deaths, it was Japanese empire. They put their own people in the claws of death. America is not be blame. Killing of innocent? What killing of innocent? The Chinese civilians they killed and raped were less innocent? No, the matter is not the A-BOMB here. The matter is war crimes and atrocities. and on that scale Japanese were way too worse than America. The Atomic bombing actually prevented further slaughter of Japanese. It actually saved millions of Japaneses lives. The Soviet declared war against Japan. And trust me, Soviets are not the most forgiving people on earth. They would have destroyed japan completely if the WAR wasn't ended there and then. It was the cheapest way to end the war and Truman did the right thing.