Do YOU believe in evolution?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by astup1didiot, Oct 29, 2007.

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Do you believe in evolution?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2007.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

    36 vote(s)
    24.5%
  1. Roman

    Roman Buffalo Tamer™

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    #381
    So please explain dinosaurs, better yet, neandrathals, or peking man or the numerous samples of distant relatives 100's of thousand or millions of years old. Explain why carbon dating is a fallacy then. Or why we see the light from galaxies millions of light years away. Please, please explain how the Earth could possibly be only 6,000 years old.

    If you're arguement is that man is only 6,000 years old then explain the bones of homo sapiens that have been found also 100's of thousand years old.

    ps: God made it look that way doesn't cut it
     
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  2. Roman

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    #382
    Not long ago it was believed the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it and millions believed it. Science showed it wasn't but the church squached that theory because it did not mesh with their agenda, but now it is an accepted fact.

    Evolution has been all but prove, even the Vatican seems to accept it, sound familiar.

    Even religion seems to evolve.
     
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  3. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #383
    Read the article above. That should answer your question I hope. What I found interesting is that the evidence is being questioned not the theory :confused:
     
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  4. Roman

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    #384
    Yeah, OK I read it, but I can not see anything being questioned, regardless, why don't you answer my questions in your own words.
     
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  5. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #385
    Which question. Because question means a single one. Questions is plural. So which question you want me to answer?
     
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  6. Roman

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    #386
    So please explain dinosaurs, better yet, neandrathals, or peking man or the numerous samples of distant relatives 100's of thousand or millions of years old. Explain why carbon dating is a fallacy then. Or why we see the light from galaxies millions of light years away. Please, please explain how the Earth could possibly be only 6,000 years old.

    If you're arguement is that man is only 6,000 years old then explain the bones of homo sapiens that have been found also 100's of thousand years old.



    Try them all.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #387
    I was just stepping out and will come back, but from the article above about the dynosaurs how can you believe that blood found in the bones survived for 70 million years. Honestly, and I can only talk for myself here I cannot comprehend 70 million years which means 70,000,000 years. Because of that you can bring whatever reason or logic you want I don't see how that blood was still found there.

    Dinosaurs shmainosaurs. There are many animals that are extinct such as the mammoth, the Australian tiger etc. Better still, if evolution is about the survival of the strongest/fittest how come you still have sheep around? Come on.... Sheep are very dumb animals and hunted every year. A sheep only gives birth to one offspring every year. The female wolf gives birth to 4-5 offsprings each year. So the attacker is much stronger and bigger in numbers. And YET we still have sheep around which proves not only the strongest survives. Remember, these are "my words" so they are original.
     
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  8. Roman

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    #388
    You never answered any questions so lets start with one: explain the bones of homo sapiens that have been found also 100's of thousand years old.
     
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  9. Roman

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    #389

    To be quite honest this answers all my questions.

    I mean the sheer brilliance of those two words could never be conceived by a mere mortal thus they must have been given to you by God to prove his existence.

    Lets analyze them shall we.

    First we have shmainosaurs, not a real word, just imaginary.
    Then we have Dinosaurs perceding shmainosaurs, which implys they are imaginary too.

    Just the order in which they come, first dinosaurs which some people believe exist, then shmainosaurs which we all know doesn't exist reinforcing dinosaurs aren't real and being the final word, not first, emphasizing the finality that they don't exist.

    What's more, on top of that, it rhymes.

    Those two words are truly profound, I reject evolution from this day on, thanks God for making me see the light, I truly believe that nothing could have ever convinced me except these exact two words, seriously, it all makes sense now.
     
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  10. proteindude

    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #390
    I just showed you a simple way of reasoning which you completely ignored and started off a whole of nonsense about a little rhyme I was trying to make.

    You say those bones were 100,000yo or more. At the same time evolution says that dinosaurs (not shmainosaurs) died out 70 million years ago even though there was blood cells found on the dinosaurs bones. Since I cannot conceive that you could have those blood cells survive (not discompose) for 70 million years, I think it makes sense to expect that those bones that are claimed to be 100000 yo can not be that old.

    You can't have the same people saying: look these bones are 70 million years old (proved false by the existence of those blood cells) and have the same people lying again and saying these bones are 100,000 years old.

    Do you see my point: if they obviously lie about one, how can you expect them to tell the truth about the other?
     
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    #391
    Just three months ago, Dr. Schweitzer held a Q&A session, and once again clarified for the creationists that no red blood cells were confirmed in the fossil bones. They found red structures within the vessels that resemble blood cells at molecular level.
    She went on and explained that it makes sense that their blood cells would have been nucleated since all living vertebrates have nucleated red blood cells in circulation.
     
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    proteindude Well-Known Member

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    #392
    Right. Now you see it now you don't. So they were right the first time and then not. Hmmm... "I did not have sex with that woman" (Sorry I couldn't help myself).
     
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    #393
    Look at the original article and read. Nowhere does it say that red blood cells were confirmed in the first place.
     
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    #394
    Tell me how am I reading th title wrong:

    "Scientists recover T. rex soft tissue
    70 million-year-old fossil yields preserved blood vessels"
     
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  15. astup1didiot

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    #395
    What is easier to believe...

    1. Preserved fossiles and blood vessel vains being found in rocks.

    2. There is an invisible guy in the sky calling all the shots but gives zero phyisical proof of his existance.
     
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    #396
    Hmmm: you have this earth rotating around the sun. If it moved just 1km closer to the sun we would all die. So what keeps the Earth at such a PERFECT distance? BUT why does it keep on moving and not stopping?

    If I only see a painting and not the painter I still know there IS a painter.
     
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    #397
    Hope you dont mind me jumping in here.

    I think what keeps the earth at the distance that it is, is something to do with space fabric i think they call it, i think a planet causes like a dip in space fabric, same with stars, moons etc so it creates an edge where something can follow that edge, making its way around it without going off course, its something like that.
     
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    #398
    Honestly I am not sure of your point. Are you saying this perfect order (earth rotating at a perfect distance from the sun) just happened :confused:
     
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    #399
    dinosaurs were inded in biblical times, 6000 years ago,

    and -please read the entire thread so i dont have to repeat the problems with scientific methods

    read the following link, and you will see how confused scientist really are, how they can all use scientific method and come up with different outcomes http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v11/i2/sun.asp
     
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    Il try and explain it differently, ok say you take a heavy bowling ball and place it in the center of a bed mattress, it causes a natural dip, with of course an edge, an outer edge to the dip, the mattress is space fabric, the bowling ball is a planet/moon/star etc.

    Im not saying anything is just "happening" im trying to point out how something is happening.

    Im also showing you that i believe in something that i cant see but this particular thing is called space fabric, and nothing to do with a god.
     
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