You're talking crap now. You were talking before about a Christian nazi which makes as much sense as a bacon eating Imam. One thing I must give Islam, a thing which I observed: when someone asks you about Islam you must instead turn the tables around and heap crap on Christianity or the Bible. SO as a Muslim you are not supposed to give straight answers but instead find ways to bag the other dude. I am still left without that great quote that's representative of Islam.
Any man that lives in sin is not a man of God. A true Christian will not do these things. But if the man who does them is truly repentant, then yes he will be forgiven. But he must be truly changed. Repentance mean changed mind, changed thinking. As for babies, it is unclear in scripture period
As far as I know it was Germany. Regarding their religion I am not sure what you mean. Is this a trick question or something? And BTW I am not an expert in SS officers.
He was a German; now have a wild guess about their religion. Have you heard about Internet? There is a web site called Google, go to it and in the text field on top, write the name of SS officer Wernher Von Braun and click search. When you find the result then come back and tell us who he was and what happened to him after WWII.
Sorry mr Islam apologist, I don't have the time right now. Maybe tomorrow. Too tired now. I need to take the kid to school (private Christian school that is). My kid still doesn't know a great quote from the Quran and you didn't help either. I can't tell him the great part is you can have 4 wives.
So true, it is funny when they do that to an athiest, it leaves the athiest dumbfounded. I beginning to think that the muslims that are SENT to DP to debate think that if you speak english- you are a Christian. Worse than when I thought it was just Americans. This guy doesn't even know his own religion because he studies a website that a muslim wrote on Christianity instead. I wonder how many pillars he knows?
You don't need to send your kid to that school to teach him this type of BS, you are quite capable of home schooling him in the science of bigotry, hatred and other BS.
Protiendude is not interested in learning he just wants to attack, he also starts threads like, 'what is the place of the Qu'ran in the world', he loves confrontation or genuinely knows very little about Islam, even less about Christianity. ----------------------------------------- Here are some important points to keep in mind: 1. As Muslims we cannot lie about anything, especially about our religion. 2. We have original recorded sources of our religion: A) The Quran [click] also: www.QTafsir.com B) Teachings of Muhammad: www.prophetofislam.com This is a unique part of Islam, not available in any other ancient religions. 3. Sometimes "questions" contain misinformation. We must qualify what it is that someone is saying against what they are implying. This what Islam is really all about. The most important subject is the worship of Almighty God, without any partners or associates or "gods" besides Almighty God The most important thing to take into consideration is that fact that it is not you nor I who guide the people to God. It is only God who guides and it is only God who misguides. So, if you desire guidance to all truth, the One to ask is the One Above. If you are sincere, and honest with Him, then there can be no doubt that He will always guide the sincere to the Right Path. There are some who do not want to be guided. Rather, they prefer to make up their own way or religion that suits them and makes them feel all warm and fuzzy. Naturally, that would not be acceptable to the One who is to be worshipped (Almighty God). That would be someone making up what they like and expecting the Lord of the Universe to accept it even though He has already ordained what it is that He wants from the people as worship to Him without partners. You are concerned over the origin of the Bible and of the Quran. That is normal and you are most entitled to the truth and history of both. Many people like yourself fear that there may be corruption or interpolation within the Holy Books. For instance, when some of them discover the problems with the Bible, they might even leave belief all together. That would be all too sad. Actually, a large part of your concerns may be put to rest as soon as you acquire some very basic knowledge about these two subjects. Your ignorance is your best excuse and you are most right to inquire into this important topic. A Muslim must agree with at least a number of your statements, due to the very message of the Quran itself. Consider that you said that the Bible came directly from God. Where else could it have come from? The very first words in the Quran confirm that the Bible was "sent down" before the Quran and it is from Allah. Also, Muslims cannot be considered as believers unless they do confirm that the Bible was originally from Almighty God. So this is no longer a point of discussion, in that we both agree. Was the Bible sent down in English? - No. That would be most facetious to consider when we take into consideration that English is only a 940 year old language. Does the Bible still exist in the original form in which it was revealed and in the original languages? - Again, No. Can any scholar of the Bible say with absolute certainty which of the verses of the Bible came to Abraham, or Moses, or David, or Solomon or Jesus? - No. Do you accept that the English version of the Bible is the same thing that was held in hands of the Great and Noble prophets of Almighty God? - No. Of course you don't. After all, only the most inept and uneducated, from the most backward of civilizations would dare make such a silly claim. Does the book in night stand by the bed in every hotel and motel in the world, in English, that Christians call the "Bible" today - represent the exact great and noble Bible of Moses, David and Jesus? - No. Do English versions contain different meanings, contradictions and mistakes? - Too many. Read from the introduction of the Bible I grew up with: Bible? Do I, as a Muslim, believe it came from God? - Yes! Absolutely. No doubt. Quran? Did it come from the same God? - Again, Yes! It claims it is from Almighty God (and it confirms the same about the real Bible). Quran? Was it sent down in Arabic? - Yes. It says so in it; Quran? Does it still exist in the original form? - Yes. It is preserved in two (2) ways in the original form. Both in writing and in oral recitation exactly as it was revealed over 1,400 years ago. And still available all over the world in the original classical Arabic language. Do scholars of Quran sate with absolute certainty that the Quran today is the same one that was sent down to Muhammad? - Yes. They all do. Do we accept that the Arabic version of the Quran is the same thing that was held in the hearts and memories of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him? - Yes. Ask any Muslim scholar. Does the book that the Muslims call the Quran today represent the Great and Noble Quran of Muhammad, peace be upon him? - Yes. No doubt. Quran? Does anyone know what it sounded like? - Yes. All Muslims recite it in Arabic in their prayers five times a day. Bible? - Anyone know what it sounded like? - Only a few experts claim to know how some words might have sounded but they are not one hundred percent sure about most of it. Bible? - Are there different versions with omissions, deletions, changes, missing books? (Compare Catholic Bible [73 books] to Protestant Bible [66 books])? - Yes. Many. Quran? - Are there different versions with omissions, deletions, changes, missing books? - No. Does the Arabic Quran contain mistakes? - No. Not even one. Bible? - Do people still memorize it today as they once did thousands of years ago, in the original language? - No. Quran? - - Yes. All Muslims have memorized at least some books of the Quran and over 9,000,000 (nine million) have memorized the entire Quran, living today. In fact, a young man came to me about 7 years ago and asked to know more about Islam. He liked the idea of God being the Only God and He is Almighty and does not accept people to set up rival gods with Him in worship. He became a "Muslim" (one who submits their will to the Will of God on earth as it is in Heaven). And today he has memorized the entire Quran from cover to cover in the Arabic language. Do you think that this is something small? Do you consider all of the above comparisons and then just keep on blindly making statements without evidences? - No, of course you don't. I feel certain that you are smarter than that and in fact, you are probably somewhat like myself in that you are a seeker of truth, rather than an ignorant promoter of evil, ignorance and hatred. Right? - Of course you are. And as a seeker of truth, you want evidence and plenty of it. First, clear up your mind and clean out your heart from the prejudices and bias of ignorance and misguidance. Then open up to the message of Jesus, peace be upon him. Remember, he came as the Christ, the Messiah, the Immaculate Conception and he will return in the Last Days to lead his true followers to victory over the Antichrist by the Will of the Almighty. Wouldn't you like to join him, peace be upon him? So, would we. Want more info? IslamCode.com <- compare Bible to Quran; Christianity to Islam GodAllah.com <- compare the belief of Muslims to your own WhatsIslam.com <- basics of Islam ScienceIslam.com <- learn why atheist scientists are entering Islam
Now you are really showing the great wisdom of islam. So muslims believe the Bible is the word of God and not all at the same time? No wonder you are so confused. Last I looked the Bible has been proven to be unchanging - dead sea scrolls anyone? Every language has changes in meanings of words. Did you know gay use to mean happy? Not any more. Words change their meanings, so you have to go back to the original (or earliest found manuscripts) to compare. The Bible bashing gets old, since no matter what is proven it seems muslims want to continue to say the same things. Yet they won't admit anything, such as 3 versions of the koran in English. Oh, but it isn't allowed to be in English, but it is.. oh well, continue on with your life. Nothing new here.
No dude, Qu'ran is actually available in about 13 versions in English but these are translations of the meaning, we never worship from them. I am pretty much sick of telling you anything about the bible, you obviously just ignore it so i cant be bothered. Catholic Bible [73 books], Protestant Bible [66 books]
What you have said about the bible comes from one who does not even understant it, everything is out of context and meaning
Fine whatever, even though you agreed the bible has corruption earlier... Look i have no intrest bible-bashing but you guys are islam-bashing, not you personally, but people like proteindude who start threads like 'what is the place of the Qu'ran in todays world', blame the holocaust on muslims and claim there is no good teachings in the Qu'ran and lots of other crap... im sorry but people shouldn't start confrontation and not expect someone to respond. I find it quite sad how christians love bhuddists, hindus, other idol worshipors etc and yet despise, the only other religion that accepts Jesus and believes in 1 God. Qu'ran 2:116 Qu'ran 2:120 Qu'ran 2:135
As a person who thinks both religions are nonsense, if I only look at the debate between Christians (you, debunk, proteindude) and the Muslims (Aceday,bfebrian), they are owning you in every post since while they are debating and quoting their sources, your bunch argument is only that nobody understands Christianity and it is perfect while Islam is bad. Don't fanatic Christians have any educated or intelligent member that can at least give them a match? You are giving the bigots a bad name by being owned in every turn.
Christianity followed properly is perfect, i never said Islam is bad, i agree with much of their beliefs. They say Hitler was a Christian, thats ridiculous. Christians don't kill innocents. Just like they are not associating terrorist with Islam, they need not associate Hitler with Christianity
I am sure the Muslims will claim the same thing. They didn't say Christianity was bad either, Muslims actually accept Jesus as prophet. They agree also with most of Bible, especially with old testament. As ridiculous as your friends claims that every terrorist is a Muslim, after all, Hitler officially had Christianity as his religion, the same as most of German army including SS. Are you saying that Americans serving in military are not Christians? How can a pilot who drops a bomb over a city, separate the innocent from the guilty? Your friends debunk, proteindude, bogart,.. are associating their religion Islam with terrorism, so why are you crying when they return the favor?
I'm not muslim, actually I'm a catholic, but once I heard one sentence from a Muslim which I thought of very high moral value, (for our muslim friends, if I quote it incorrectly, please forgive me): "To kill a man is as to kill the all humanity, to save a life is as to save the all humanity." Another one I like, I think it is a saying the muslim prophet: "In pursuit of knowledge dont hesitate to go even up to China" I suppose China was the end of the world. Recently I read some parts of Gibbon, the Fall of the Roman Empire, as we all know it was Constantine who converted to Christianity and established Christianity as the official religion, now the point is that there was some Christians lead by Bishop Arius who believed that Jesus was a creature and not God, in fact they refused the all trinity doctrine and for about 400 years were the cause of wars in Europe. But on the year 325 there was a meeting called by Constantine in Niceia, and the doctrine of Arius was condemned and Arius was forced to run for his life, now the interesting part is that when Constantine was dying and they wanted to confess him and give him the last rites, he refused the catholic bishops and was absolved by the Arians. I think this is very interesting, few books mention this fact, he, Constantine forced everyone to accept the trinity doctrine, but when he was dying he didn’t want anything to do with it. Two of his sons became emperors after him and they also refused the trinity and followed the Arius believe.
Ace, get your facts right. The title of my other thread was :What would the world be like without the Quran? Which is slightly different from what you posted. Another thing: you say I am not willing to learn. For goodness sake give me the great quote or quotes from the Quran. By asking you questions about your Holy Book does it mean I am attacking Islam? But anyway, according to your own post Allah is the one that misguides. So how do I know you're not misguided right now? Because according to what you said above it's God (the one the Muslims worship) that misguides some. If these dudes are owning us in every post (to use your expression), I still fail to see the better quotes that you (or them) have given us regarding their superiority. Now: you don't have to be a follower of any particular religion to see this: Religion one (older) says they are the best Religion two (newer one) says they are better than religion one because they have received new light and have the greatest of all prophets. For the above to be true, religion two needs to show straight away some SUPERIOR teachings and PRINCIPLES to religion one. Unless I see these BETTER quotes, I will still say religion one is the better one. But gworld, since you are unbiased on this subject (or so you claim), tell me something: you have two prophets. One prophet from one religion performed countless miracles while the other prophet never performed any miracles. Which of these two prophets would you say is the greater one?
have you seen the technology we are using, they could drop a bomb on a dime. The bombings were targeted. Sure mistakes may have been made, and thats a shame. The men in the military are doing there jobs, and they are doing what the government tells them. As Christians we are supposed to obey earthly laws
In all the religious wars, the inquisition etc, in over a thousand years, much less then 1 million people perished. Then we had first and second world wars, wars caused by nationalism or the supremacy. How many died? 50 million? Give me religion any day. any religion....