The below article is by USAF veteran Douglas Herman, who correctly predicted the aftermath of the attack on Iraq in his column: Shock & Awe Followed by Block-To-Block. A Rense contributer, he is the author of The Guns of Dallas, available at Amazon.com. Contact him at douglasherman7[AT]yahoo.com. http://www.rense.com/general69/dayone.htm
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"The below article is by USAF veteran Douglas Herman, who correctly predicted the aftermath of the attack on Iraq in his column: Shock & Awe Followed by Block-To-Block." Shock & Awe = Mass Murder Is this what the pro-war bots at DP really want?
This is the most important part. Iranian don't even need to fight, it is enough for them to sink their own navy in strait of Hormuz (shallow and narrow) and close off the shipping from the whole area and US economy as we know today will collapse.
The US economy would not collapse from Iran shutting down shipping throught the strait. Not to mention the fact that you could still pipeline the oil to other channels depending on the source ie -Iraq>Jordan>Israel -kuwait, SA, UAE, OMAN/Yemen Plus have you looked at the shape of Iran, I dont know where the Iranian Oil fields are but it wouldn't take much to capture them if it came down to that. But economically the US isnt that dependent upon Irans Oil. In fact, it would hurt Iran more if the US shut down their oil exports. It would hurt but economically there are alot more sides to consider like china, the other opec and arab nations.
Do you even know where Iran is? Have you ever seen a map? That Strait closes the shipping of ALL the oils from that area and not only Iran. If the price of oil is about $90 now, what do you think happens to price when there is no shipping or Iran oil fields are burning? I bold the part of your post that made sense.
Like I said, shutting that strait would effect oil but not long term as it would only take a month or two(probally less) to build the infrastructure and lines to bypass the closed strait. Do you really thing the UAE, Qatar or any of the oil companies would do nothing and just hold onto that oil if the strait got closed. The answer is NO. I attached a picture if you dont get what Im talking about. see the black lines. Also the "I dont know" statement was in relation to Irans oil fields, I know where the oil fields, lines, shipping ports are for qatar, saudia arabia and UAE and closing the strait doesnt close the shipping of ALL the oils, only some. There is already an oil line going to Israel from Iraq and if you started shipping all oil through the mediteranean you would actually save money on shipping. So in the end all the oil dependent nations/ companies would adapt. If Iran held the embargo for too long, they would lose money, alienate themselves with opec and probally piss off china by cutting there oil as well.
Who did tell you this or you just make up things as you go along? They can not even build a simple piece of highway in a month or two, let alone to accomplish something like this in a war zone.
falacy in assumption: assuming FREEDOM FIGHTERS with good intention leave thousands of miles of pipe ALONE. hoping Chavez doesn't act on his words if Iran Attacked. I will quote him: "will cut off oil supply to USA"
rense.com ? Not a very credible source. Let's see what other liberal outlets we can find out about: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="Douglas+Herman"+USAF&btnG=Search Liberal sites? - check! in abudance! Conspiracy sites? - absolutely! Troofer sites? - but of course! Prison Planet? - Mandatory!
First off, who are you talking about when you say "they"? If you are talking about the US government I agree,slightly,but in estimating the one to two month time period, I was thinking about the corporations and oil bearing nations in that region that would be effected far more than the US would be ie kuwait, qatar, UAE. If you think it would take these nations or the corporations that depend on these nations for profit more than a few months to build a pipeline than you really need to look at their past construction timelines. When they weren't motivated by a loss of profit to build. Also who said anything about a war zone? While it wasn'trelated to my point I have to say this just cause you are blatantly wrong. The engineers in Iraq, civilian and military, have constructed far more than a piece of highway ie entire buildings and infrastructure while in a war zone(look at before and after pictures off just baghdad, it didnt look like it does now ie shock and awe). Back to my point. If a US/Iran war happened think about where the fighting would take place. Do you think Iran would attack offensively anywhere near Saudi Arabia/UAE, where most of the pipelines I drew were located. No, I believe Iran is smart enough to risk offending its arab allies. As well the US isn't the only nation too depend on the persian gulf for oil. China also depends on the persian gulf so I don't believe Iran would risk alienating china by physically blocking the strait of homuz, more likely they would simply not send oil to the US. but like I said messing with oil is more complicated than you think. For if Iran causes the price of oil to rise, they instantly piss off every nation that buys oil. Also if you do reply to my post, please use, if not facts, reason based opinion and not place your entire argument on smiley's.
You are dreaming again, those countries that you mentioned can hardly wipe their ass without assistance from some European and American construction company. I don't think that many Europeans or Americans will be happy to die for this project while Iranian Army can use them as target practice with even small artillery. You forgot to mention that Americans will be regarded as liberator and people will give them flowers on street. This will be exactly like Iraq where mission was accomplished in couple of days and Iraqis just love Americans and Baghdad soon is going to be the best place to live on earth. If the Iran government is falling, do you really think that they would care to play according to Americans rules? Their country will be destroyed, so why should care about anything that happens to other countries, USA or even China? The messing of oil supply is quite simple, look at the last couple of years. Just the idea that oil supply is not stable has pushed the oil price from $20 to $90, what do you think will happen with war in Iran and oil fields burning?
Most of our DP PC Rambos fail to see the disaster that an attack would be. They are too happy to sit at home in their carpet slippers and cheerlead for another war from the comfort and safety of their own armchairs.
Interesting read. Now add 11,000 Iranian rockets fired within the first minute of strike and nuclear weapons (If they have any) and Iran's threat to retaliate against Israel in case of any strike and the picture gets worse.... So basically we have $200 Oil, No Israel (Wiped off the map, due to Iranian nuclear weapons), devastated Iran, burnt up US bases(due to 11,000 rockets fired within the first minute of war) messed up US effort to build 'Democratically reformed' Iran.... Any chance to bring Aliens and Jesus in the same picture? It would make the perfect flick, 'War of the words' starring Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson....
haaa haa haaa I think Mel Gibson along with his beard will be suited for the Iranian leader and added to that he's naturally anti-Jewish as the Iranian president is!
What news have you been watching? the government of Iran is quite stable and in no fear of falling. Unlike in Iraq where the government was pretty unstable, The Iranian government has strong support from its people. So a fight with Iran would follow more rules than the completely new type of "war" being fought in Iraq. Honestly I see no reason for Iran to start a war, if ones started it will be because of the US. Have you read anything or been to the countries I listed? Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia are all wealthy nations with stable governments and economies. Obviously, you want to bash the US instead of carry on an intelligent discussion on a theoretical US/Iran war so I apologise and will let you return to posting ignorant posts.
So you think that USA should start a war with Iran because Iran's government is quite stable and will act very rationally and will not retaliate to all out assault on it's cities and it's arm forces and they will just sit there and smile when their people get killed, army and industries are destroyed by USA. Do you think they will also send a thank you note to Bush and say that they will forgive him for attacking Iran because he was worried that Iranian might act irrationally and attack Israel? How is Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia being rich is related to their ability to accomplish a big construction project in a war zone and what I posted? have you even been that area? The best country in that area is Dubai and who do you think manges all their construction projects? English and Australian. I am not bashing USA, I am bashing the stupidity of people who think the war is like a video game and the guys with a biggest plane and ships win but reality is much more complicated and dangerous. USA "accomplished the mission" with it's "shock and awe" but who is the real winner in Iraq? Iranian and they didn't need to fire even one bullet.