Why would you? That's an odd leap to make, guerilla. We have RP supporters inviting a holocaust denier to speak on campus. This same group of supporters expresses glee that their quotes are being used on neo-nazi political sites. It only reflects poorly upon you, when you will not say anything negative about this type of activity - which is really being done to heighten the awareness of Ron Paul. If you truly support his "small government " platform, I'd think you'd be the first to say "I don't want neo-nazis rallying to my candidate and donating money or booking lectures in his name" But, hey, that's me.
Maybe it's just me, but do we (most RP supporters) really need to come out and say "holocaust deniers are out of their gourd" for the rest of DP to know that is our stance on the matter? In that case...holocaust deniers are fucking crazy. There. I mean seriously, if the best thing you have to defame Paul with is that he has some crazies supporting him, you should try a bit harder. As Jackuul said, crazy people support candidates in every election cycle, and typically its glossed over as "well, they are gonna support somebody". Get over it. The crux of your argument is basically that some crazies support RP, and since the rest of us on DP haven't explicitly condemned them, we are condoning their actions? I guess if I don't publicly condemn governmental genocide, murderers, rapists, child molesters, and every other whacko in this world, I must be in support of those actions or at least ambivalent? Try harder. I know you are trying really hard to defame Ron Paul, but
They want to play six degrees of Ron Paul, but they themselves refuse to condemn the folly in Iraq. That they have no credibility is clear. Listen to the word out of the candidates mouths. That's what they don't want you to do. They are so afraid of him it's getting a bit funny. The problem they have is that they cannot fully control the media anymore. Every time they slander him, just post another Ron Paul video and let him speak for himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlEzIbS2zjM
Because this thread has been trampled, I will be back with a new one later with a host of updates and a clear purpose for the thread so it does not get jacked again. I see the mods already supported my position by removing some posts. In regards to Alex Jones' payment, it was actually a refund disbursement on his $2,300 campaign donation. http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NjkwYzQ3N2U0YWU0Njc0NTkyOWYwN2E1ODk1MmFjYWQ= Looks like lorien will have to update his blog with a retraction, since he is all about truth and accuracy. I truly believe he will, because I respect lorien and I know that he is not one of those bloggers who "can't be bothered to do five minutes of research that could spare them a bit of embarrassment and prevent readers from being misinformed" So that puts the Paul bashing army to sleep on the contention that Ron Paul is paying off or employing Alex Jones. The man has won his Congressional seat, against the wishes of the Republican party 10 straight times. He knows how to handle a campaign of swift boat attacks.
What is there to discuss Guerilla? they refunded the money cuz of bad press? I will have to update to correct that; but the point of the payment is just -barely- relevant, given everything else that's been coming out lately. And I wonder why my blog link doesn't work here anymore :/ Here's another campaign update for everyone. Ron Paul supporters march thru Los Angeles - next to: communists, truthers, and others. Watch the slideshow as an odd moronic convergence comes together. Why would Paulbots march with communists and anti-semites? Any paul supporters wanna come out and stand against this?
I doubt they will. They've spent the last seven hours or so trying to cover it up and excuse it and attack anyone who raises legitimate questions about it. If you are as lucky as I am, grim will come over and dazzle you with some double speak, double positions and personal attacks. Why are they afraid of simple questions based upon what is very visible to everyone, but them?
so lemme get this straight.. if a murderer comes out of jail and supports Huckabee then all of his supporters are murderers? i don't get your argument and probably never will
You may not belong in your peer group. Have you been listening to your chosen peer group? Have you seen and heard the truly insane statements they have been making? Denying the Holocaust is far from the weirdest claim they have been making.
The queen of personal attacks strikes again Sorry you got owned so badly again, caught in your own hypocrisy, I promise I'll try to take it easier on you in the future, I'm not sure your heart can take it.
I don't believe you will, especially if you believe what you posted was a resemblance of it. A murder? Or, thousands and thousands of anti-semites, neo-nazis, troofers, conspiracy nuts, etc? Can you not see the difference. I can absolutely assure you, if large groups of pedophiles, neo nazis, prisoners and other undesirables were coming out in droves for MY candidate, I'd take a good long look and ask why. Not everyone would ask why, though, would they? Ah, the king of personal attacks reared his little head again! It was my pleasure demonstrating your hypocrisy again. Of course, I would be remiss if I didn't acknowledge the magnanimous personal contribution you made in assisting me. I wouldn't want to steal all the thunder, when you did most of the work for me. Good job!
Excuse me Wil... Did you purposely ignore his main point, or Is there something about it you do not understand??
I believe you have it backwards. The association of most RP supporters to this group is false; rather, a small subset of RP supporters also happens to be truthers and whatever else idiotic group. As I said earlier, do you honestly expect me to personally condemn every idiot in the world who has any kind of affiliation with something I'm affiliated with? People who are rational, and people who don't have a personal vendetta, see these tools, laugh, and move on. The only people who are trying to make a blanket association about RP and his supporters based on some whackos are either irrational, or have a personal vendetta to pull out their ad hominem attacks upon. The recent topics about Ron Paul are hilarious.... "Ron Paul spam", "Ron Paul truthers", "Ron Paul hates black people", "Ron Paul anti-semitic". The people who haven't realized he is the best candidate out there can't debate the issues, instead they have to go right for the personal attacks in a sad attempt to boost themselves and their ideologies. Keep trying fellas, it's not working; a few months back, the only substantive complaints against his campaign was that he had no real life support, no money, and no chance at the primaries. Then all the RP supporters out there showed their numbers with the various "Paint the Town Ron" campaigns. We have sign waves, we are at every major political event showing our support and handing out flyers. We draw thousands of supporters to rallies with just a few days notice (Uni of Michigan). There goes that argument! Then fund-raising numbers in quarter 3 showed that we can compete with the big boys, and everyone was amazed that Ron Paul had some dollars backing his ideas. There goes that argument! The last argument is fading away, as his support rises in the polls continually, particularly in the battleground state of New Hampshire, amongst black voters, across straw polls and post-debate polls (which cannot be doctored, by the way, even Fox admits it). Oh and just recently I read some new polling data showing that he is the best competitor against Hillary in the Republican field, never mind that most of the "front runners", particularly Guiliani, have numerous groups pledging to never support them. There goes that argument!
a couple of 9/11 truth signs and suddenly there's thousands that believe it was an inside job.. wow. i have no intent on getting in these 'pwning battles' with you.
You present a clear case... ...just like a large segment of RP's supporters do, also. Honest people (who aren't brainwashed by propaganda) will respect a logical stance... ...even if they aren't educated enough to fully understand you... ...People can sense when you are sharing factual information. Thanks, for showing us a great example of honest communication.
I actually have a huge head 'in more ways than one' The only 'hypocrite' proven was you, you were shown to be one through and through. Not only that you've shown yourself to be completely blind to reality to actually think you somehow turned it around. Simply shocking...
We have some fresh news about Dr. Ron Paul Eleanor Clift (PBS) Prediction - Victory for Ron Paul in NH! "At the end of the program, Shout Moderator McLaughlin asks each person to make a political prediction. Well yesterday, Eleanor Clift blurted out she predicted that 'GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul with his libertarian message is going to be the big surprise in the upcoming New Hampshire primary because Hillary has a lock on the Dem nod and the Independents are going to come out for Paul'. "Wow. I wonder how Boy George Snuffleupagus feels about Ron Paul now?"
I suppose when you can't get rid of the real supporters, like in the real photos above, a photoshop one is in order!
Lorien, you need to make up your mind if it is relevant or not. You seemed to make a big deal about it earlier, demanding I denounce Dr. Paul and condemn his campaign. I'm happy to see you will be correcting your blog. I knew you were an honest and reputable poster. It's ok to like Ron Paul. He's old enough to be our grandfather and his message is 95% freedom, peace and the Constitution.