Pagerank Useless

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by USPB, Oct 28, 2007.

  1. #1
    What is the purpose of Pagerank rather than being just a 1- 10 scale?
    Many people say it does not affect SERP ranking

    thanks.
     
    USPB, Oct 28, 2007 IP
  2. Meth_

    Meth_ Well-Known Member

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    #2
    well, it might of changed now but I think that the higher your PR the more chance you have of being on the google FP for certain keywords
     
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    #3
    Toolbar PageRank has not directly affected rank positions for several years. There are plenty of PR2 sites that outrank PR5 and PR6 sites. It didn't use to work that way, so that's why many people view PageRank as nothing more than lipstick on a pig.

    There is a difference between Toolbar PageRank, which is what G allows us to see, and actual PageRank, which is what they use internally.
     
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  4. funkymario

    funkymario Notable Member

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    #4
    i couldn't agree more, and i heard this directly from a google engineer.;) but people won't listen because they are too obsessed with this stupid toolbar...
     
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  5. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    I have a question!!!!!

    What did businesses do before there was PageRank????

    Build a business, not a green light collection!!! :D
     
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  6. live-cms_com

    live-cms_com Notable Member

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    #6
    If a PR0 and PR10 website are targeting the same keywords the PR10 website will rank higher, not because PR affects the SERPs but because PR is a representation of backlinks which DO affect the SERPs.
     
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    KC TAN Well-Known Member

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    #7
    Yes, absolutely. PR is part of the algo of SERP :)
     
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    frankcow Well-Known Member

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    #8
    Agreed. And of course, the secondary purpose is for people who buy and sell links...
     
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  9. astup1didiot

    astup1didiot Notable Member

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    #9
    Excellent Example.
     
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    qazu Well-Known Member

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    That is so wrong as it assumes that they both sites use the same anchor text.

    Backlinks do affect PR and has an influence on SERPs but anchor text is the more important factor! A link like 'click here' is just a link that affects PR and but only affect SEPRs for the search tem 'click here'.
     
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  11. Sem-Advance

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    If that were true since Google is a PR10 it would rank # 1 for all keyword terms.

    I and many others can show # 1 ranked sites with lower PR than sites below them.
     
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    #12
    "If a PR0 and PR10 website are targeting the same keywords" - I said if they are targeting the same keywords, which means that both pages have similar SEO. Google is NOT targeting keywords such as 'mesothelioma' so doesn't even fit into my statement for the keyword 'mesothelioma' so wouldn't rank...

    Is English your first language?
     
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  13. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #13
    Que pasa? Donde esta usted?

    First of all just because two sites are targeting the same keyword does not indicate that they have similar SEO methodology applied.

    Also it's very hard to speculate what you meant when you do not post full thoughts...

    I am supposed to guess what you meant?

    Also if you note and read carefully, I was not the only person here who disagreed with your post.

    Being as there are more in disagreement, I would tend to believe your post was inaccurate.

    I was born and raised in the USA lived in Europe for 4 years.

    American English is what I speak.

    Though that's not the point now is it? To be honest the last time I insulted someone it hurt so bad I was banned.....I won't stoop to your level.

    Be well
     
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  14. thsadmin

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    Well all things into account with what has been said, some is true and well who really knows ? Just the BIG G.

    PR has an affect on such things as these examples :

    A link on a PR* is worth more than a Link on a PR0
    To boost a PR4 you will require PR5+
    A updated PR* will rank higher than a updated PR0

    Do you get the feel ? PR does have some effect on Google, mainly (IMO) on links and incoming links, for example a Website that has 100 PR* links is going to be more valuable than a site that has 100 PR0 links .... true ? This example of a) will certainly rank higher than sample b) for the exact same key words .... true ?

    So in my conclusion PR isn't useless or worthless.
     
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    sarathy Peon

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    #15
    THere is one more purpose, Several people starting a thread like the above :D
     
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  16. Sem-Advance

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    #16
    How come 1,000,000s of businesses don't have it?

    I mean if it had real value to success wouldn't these business have the Google toolbar plastered on the walls of their businesses??
     
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    #17
    Actually PR is the offpage factor of SERPs...

    PR is about quality backlinks.... SERPs one factor is quality backlinks...

    What do you think?
     
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    #18
    I think quality backlinks is one factor of SERP. PR has no direct connection to SERP.
     
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    sb1234 Banned

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    #19
    PR will only work if everyone follows guidelines, which will never happen, everyone finds ways to exploit it which hurts the overall system. As far as SERP is concerned, you do not need a high PR to be on the first page. for example www.skilledgraphics.com is now PR 3 Google the words affordable graphic design and see where it turns up. Page 1 out of 2 million others.

    How is this? Hard work and relevant content. Not High PR


    The key is modeling your site around specific keywords
     
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    removed... sorry
     
    sb1234, Oct 29, 2007 IP