New PR Algorihtm?

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  1. jdg

    jdg Peon

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    #61
    Let's look at the facts here:

    1) Several sites that were not selling links of any kind also experienced a drop.
    2) At least one of the sites hit (problogger.net) have regained their PR (back to a 6). Have any others?
    3) Links are the currency of the web - they aren't going away, and their value won't be going away.
    4) Paid links work. Really well.

    If Google starts to attack paid links (as some have suggested - previously they have only blown hot air), then the risk for paid links becomes greater, at which point the site owners can charge more per link. Paid links themselves will not be going away. Ever. Simple supply and demand states that if links are harder to come by because of increased risk for site owners then the price of those links will rise. That's good news for site owners for as long as advertisers are willing to pay for those links.

    Link buying should not really be about PR only. It is also about traffic. I think far too often we assume that "we" are the average internet user and the average internet user would never click on a paid link. Bzzt. Wrong. If that were the case, then a lot of the adsense weenies wouldn't be making crap each month. :)
     
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  2. googlefather

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    #62
    Google PageRank going from 9 to 3 (YES EVEN YOUTUBE.com PageRanks went from 9 to 3) amazing, isnt it?
    http://www.google-kai.com/google-pagerank-plays-battle-tank.html

    :eek:

    www.Youtube.com PageRank 3/10 as of October 27th 2007 at 10 pm.

    DC: 64.233.161.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.161.91
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.163.189
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.167.104
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.167.107
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.167.184
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.171.18
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.171.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.171.81
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.179.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.179.107
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.179.115
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.183.80
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 64.233.183.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.185.100
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.185.115
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.187.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 64.233.189.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.102.1.115
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.102.7.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 66.102.9.80
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 66.102.9.101
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.102.9.107
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.102.11.83
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.83.81
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.83.104
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.89.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.89.104
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.91.184
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 66.249.93.133
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.203.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.207.115
    Toolbar PageRank: PR8 (8/10)
    DC: 72.14.209.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.209.44
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.209.99
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.209.115
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.211.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.211.184
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.215.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.217.44
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.217.81
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.217.107
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.219.81
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.219.99
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.219.100
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.221.18
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.235.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 72.14.235.102
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 209.85.129.80
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 209.85.135.104
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 209.85.135.107
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 209.85.143.18
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 209.85.143.19
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 216.239.37.83
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 216.239.37.84
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 216.239.37.99
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 216.239.51.83
    Toolbar PageRank: PR3 (3/10)
    DC: 216.239.53.133
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 216.239.57.44
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
    DC: 216.239.59.80
    Toolbar PageRank: PR0 (0/10)
     
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  3. warman2442

    warman2442 Active Member

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    #63
    reciprocal backlinks, that is probably why so many sites went down. And paid link advertising, google is tracking this now remember?!
     
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  4. DomainMagnate

    DomainMagnate Illustrious Member

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    #64
    Looks like a change there indeed, crosslinked pages get the same pr now.

    ~MG
     
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  5. billion

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    #65
    Hopefully we can read something out of this when PR stop moving down(and in some cases up again).

    The suggestion that Google manually edit PR seems completely unlikely to me. Not even Google have the resources to make this possible.

    It looks like we see some sort of "live" re-calculation of PR and that we can't know the end result yet. Normally we only see the new PR when calculation is finished. Maybe a mistake or new feature by Google? :confused:
     
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  6. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #66
    Sure its possible for Google to manually edit pr if they do it wisely. They have hired thousands of people in India.
     
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    billion G.E.M.

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    #67
    I know they're effective but not even people from India would be able to edit millions of pages daily. :eek:
     
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  8. live-cms_com

    live-cms_com Notable Member

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    #68
    1000s of people from India could.
     
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  9. billion

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    #69
    Yep. I was thinking that each one would need to edit millions of pages.
     
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  10. jdg

    jdg Peon

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    #70
    Sure, 1000s of people could. But it's just not smart business. Google is all about the 'algorithm' and 'indexing the worlds content'.

    I'm sure they have a team that goes in and manually checks known spammy SERPs and other QA checks. It'd be stupid for them not to. But having a team that checks every single page in their index? No flippin way.

    Google isn't Mahalo. ;-)
     
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  11. Fedorpheux

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    #71
    Agreed. One of my sites that is only 1-2 months old got PR3 in this update. I have a few other sites of similar age that got PR2 and PR1, as well.
     
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  12. bogart

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    Of course they will do it wisely. They probably use an algorithm and paid link reports to identify which pages to manually review.
     
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  13. adsense4money

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    #73
    I think droping PRs of the main directories (like aviva...) has done the job for them. If you change the source of link juice the algo does the rest and all websites relying heavily on those listings loose popularity. As simple as that, curing the source of the problem IMHO of course.
     
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  14. jdg

    jdg Peon

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    #74
    Naaah.. truth is a large majority of sites are never listed in directories. I don't believe it's directories in general, but just large scale interlinking that has been devalued.
     
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    #75 
     Originally Posted by iMarketingGuru  View Post
You can't, the truth is, the search engines want relevancy, I bet search engines will go for larger, more content-rich sites that are highly linked to. I don't know how you would combat paying for text link ads. The truth is, PR is the center of Google's algorithms and the status of PR importance I don't think will ever change. We're all obsessed with PR and PR = traffic, stop getting worked up. Don't be paranoid that Google is out to get all SEOs by getting rid of every tactic, pretty much all tactics work except the very black-hat

Even those tactics work in certain situations =o)
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    its true :rolleyes:
     
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  16. libertygone

    libertygone Active Member

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    #76
    looks like something is definitely going on :confused:
     
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    #77
    its all pretty easy:
    the only pr-10 site out there is google now. all other sites have been adjusted by -2 pr.
    this means: no panic - pr3 is the new pr5 now!!!

    here is the updated price list for link traders (as a guideline only):

    pr3: $20/month
    pr4: $90/month
    pr5: $250/month
    pr6: $600/month
    pr7: $2000/month

    hope that clears everything up :D
     
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  18. bogart

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    #78
    Sure there is something going on. It's called Christmas season. Google wants more marketing dollars spent with adsense. The link sellers are taking money out of their pockets and adjusting the pr is a way for google to fight back.
     
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    #79
    So i have 2 PR4's. 2 PR3's. 1 PR2. And 1 PR1.

    http://theprodigysachintendulkar.blogspot.com is PR4, what should i sell links on it for? how much?
     
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  20. jdg

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    #80
    He's just joking mate. :) $2k/mo for a PR7.. yay - I've got 4 of those babies! One link a pop and I'm set!
     
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