Wow I just check jalbum.net and they have dropped pagerank from PR8 (at one time a PR9) to PR5. Is this for real? btw.. they accept paid links on their site! I wonder if thats why?
Yes, if you review the many other threads talking about this it appears google is taking action against sites that sell text links. Which will also affect other sites down the line due to backlinks.
This is my first ever PR thread on PR change as I know there are normally about 2000 the instant something happens, but this seemed like an importnant one that needed mentioning I read the other threads but they all seemed like speculation with drops of 1 or 2 PR points. This also seems to be around 50% of the data centers.
Yes, there is another massive downgrade happening right now, and it happens to me as well. Was quite shell-shocked to be downgraded from PR5 to PR3. Assuming a typical downgrade of minus-2 PageRanks across the board, PR8 going to PR5 is quite common these few days.
Stacounter.com is now pr8.They used to be pr10.They were first "victim". phpbb.com falled from pr9 to pr8.And many other examples...
From PR8 to PR5 is a huge enormous drop -- PR is based on a geometric or log scale where each integral step gets about five times harder than the previous one. This means that a drop from PR8 to PR5 is about a 125 factor reduction, or more than 99%.
Where are all those paid links on jalbum.net? Are we talking about their "advertise" opportunity link at the bottom of the page? I've said this many times before, but I will say it again.... Google continually changes the metrics needed to achieve each level of pr. It's only common sense that as time goes on the more backlinks can be aquired by any established website. If Google did not change this criteria, in five years we would have an abundance of pr 10 sites. It makes sense for Google to change this criteria before the toolbar pr export - thus reducing the value of links based on pr. The only problem here is that Google's pr calculations were originally desgined on natural linking patterns. The exploitation of pr with purchased links creates a situation for them where they must set the bar much higher to achieve each level of pr. Who knows, a pr 3 site might be "golden" in the next month. There is also the possibility that the pr reduction we have seen are not permanent, but rather the tell tale sign of the upcoming pr export. I've witnessed pr dropping before a pr export. And those drops were simply temporary - until the full toolbar pr export was complete. All this talk about paid links being the reason for pr drops gives me a headache. There are countless sites that don't sell links that have been reduced in pr. What all this looks like, IMO is the start of a toolbar export. Give it a week before we start getting concerned.
Well i noticed a lot of pr drops on sites which dont sell links so that doesnt need to be reason always.
Yes, but if you know how the internet works you would know that probably some of there backlinks or their backlinks backlinks did and lost their PR value and it is rolling down hill to other sites.
Yeah crazy - i feel sorry for jablum.net -They have a great product and are great people. Selling links allows them to keep it free. I remember them at PR9... PR8... and now PR5 - I saw this last night. The fall out is going to be huge!
WashingtonTimes.com is dropping from PR6 to PR4. (They are avid TLA sellers) WashingtonPost.com is dropping from PR7 to PR5. Meanwhile FoxNews.com, which has 10 paid links at the bottom of front page remains PR7. I guess they'll keep rolling out these knocks until these big newspapers start sharing the revenue with Google.
PS. Knocking down newspapers will earn great publicity for Google, and probably troubles ahead for Google News.
you did have PR8 http://livePR.ezer.com/?livePR=jalbum.net Records G-PR...... G-BLs ....Cache: ....Index .....Keyword Today (5 ) (20000) 23 Oct 2007 19:24:13 (27900) (78100) 10/24/2007 (5 ) (20000) 23 Oct 2007 19:24:13 (27900) (78100) 4/3/2007 (8 ) (19000) 2 Apr 2007 21:58:56 (58900) (227000)
Thank goodness PR means jack shit. Get over it people. End the circle jerk handjob sessions. Google is fucking with you. Like google would ever give you guys the "secret" to getting topspots. Pfff! Morons.
topix.com and topix.net dropping 2 points each (also TLA sellers). also falling, infoplease.com is going PR7 to PR5 (another big TLA seller). On the other hand http://www.opinionjournal.com/, which sells some of the most expensive text link ads ($1750 a piece) has taken no hit at all. It seems to be a very political PR downgrade, with some very high PR, very well known sites blatantly selling text link ads getting away with it (foxnews and wall street journal). If manual review was involved in this PR drop, there's no way they missed these sites. Just decided for some reason not to play games with them.
In all honesty I dont care about PR I think it should be changed to a traffic related stat. e.g 1 million hits a day = PR 10 500,000 = PR 9 and so on...
Whatever PR is, it's definitely not designed for webmasters. Simply because they show it to surfers on a toolbar. I wish people would just use their heads about this. Google isn't going to give you anything useful to get good SERP. Why would it? So spammers can pollute the entire search engine? Come on, use your head people. My personal view on PR is simply a reading for SPIDERS. It designates to SPIDERS how often and how deeply they crawl a site. No effect on SERP at all.