Iran has countered back and.... WOW

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  1. iatbm

    iatbm Prominent Member

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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    #82
    Obviously you never were in the army ? ;) those can make quite a mess ;)
     
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    drmike Well-Known Member

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    #83
    Thankfully no... are mopads a common mode of transportation in the army? Or were you referring to the weapons they are holding?
     
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    #84
    I think that's a ridiculous statement by Iran. I very highly doubt they have 11,000 missiles that could reach much of any bases in the Middle East.

    However, this is more ominous to me. It's why Bush and his cronies need to leave the whitehouse. They are our biggest threat to US and world security.

    I wonder how he'd behave if his daughters were somehow drafted and amazingly ended up in Iraq riding around in a Humvee...

    Would he be so cavalier?
     
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    #85
    No one is saying that rockets are funny or a joke. They can be very dangerous.
    But the claim that the Ground forces will fire 11,000 rockets on identified targets within a minute is somewhat ridiculous. And a rocket with 250 KMs range is somewhat useless against military targets. Yes they still can be very devastating if you fire such rockets on a city. But it's nearly impossible to hit a target precisely with unguided rockets of that range..

    Anyone with a loaded gun in hand and intention to kill is dangerous. But that isn't about military power.
    In modern day wars, it all about air superiority, and trust me, US with F-22 Raptors Air superiority fighters are the leader in that field, backed up by Superior naval support.
    Iran may have a moderate military, but in both conventional and Nuclear war it doesn't stand against US. Unless Russia Actively supports, Provides Aids, and backs up Iran during the course of war, which I doubt.
     
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    usasportstraining Notable Member

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    #86
    Also, China is becoming a super power themselves. They may well end up being THE super power of the 21st century.

    We need to consider them as well.

    I agree with your other points.
     
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  7. drmike

    drmike Well-Known Member

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    ok, im glad we agreed that Iran is dangerous... however I disagree with Russia not joining in... I honestly think Russia will take severe advantage of teaming with Iran and will sadly probably be able to defeat or at least fend off the US... putting Russia in a very powerful position. let's face it.. the US is struggling fighting agasint the combatants in Iraq... what are they going to do when faced with whatever Iran has joined with Russia's power, and who knows maybe North Korea will jump in on the fun and then in my opinon the US has no chance.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    #88
    Air superiority will not get you anywhere, especially if you fly way too high to destroy military capabilities.
    For example when Nato bombed Serbia in 99 they only destroyed civilian infrastructure and didn't even touch military equipment as we all seen when serbs backed out of Kosovo. Nato only destroyed couple of tanks and baits ( MIG-29 made out of wood ) and serbian military got out with 97% of ALL their military equipment :rolleyes: after 3 months of bombing. That nato bombing is not mentioned in any military book ( West Point, etc ) since it was total screw up. Remember how nato spokesman said it will be all over in couple of days but it lasted for more than 3 months. That adventure showed that you cannot win war only by air. Even though serbs didn't have really capable air defence systems nato planes didn't fly low and sometimes because of "old air defense", which proved to be quite effective nato even threw bombs in the adriatic sea. We know plane cannot land with all its load ;) ( some italian fishermans were killed later by these adriatic sea bombs )

    Land invasion of US troops to Iran would be suicidal and probably the end of US as we know today. That is why they will only attack from the air and from sea and will probably cause only civilian deaths and destroy civilian infrastructure.
     
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    #89
    I thought I'd read that Putin was being threatened with an assassination plot while visiting Iran. Is Russia really on Iran's side or are they trying to help with the negotiations?

    A big ally of North Korea is China. I hope North Korea doesn't somehow jump into the fray. Remember Bush's other stupid comment about the "Axis of Evil"?
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    Russia will do nothing. They will just watch what is going on and count their money due to gas and oil prices go beserk ;)

    When US and Iran will be in deep shit already and neither of them winning any war Russia will step in and be kind of middle man and talker for peace. Life will go on as usual for the rest of us who are too small to do anything about it :D
     
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    #91
    You're probably very right.
     
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    #92
    It is tough to sya what Russia's true intentions are, even if they were 100% behind Iran I am sure no one would know right now, and probably not until it was too late. And yes, North Korea being close with China is not good at all, especially in this situation... to me it looks like there are some very powerful countries playing sitting duck waiting for the US to over extend themselves and then they will probably strike.

    I see it going 1 of 3 ways...

    - Iran and Russia vs the US and allies... which could go either way, and North Korea and China staying out.

    - Iran, Russia, North Korea, and China vs the US and allies, in which case the US and its allies are screwed.

    - Iran and Russia vs the US with China and North Korea attacking both sides in an attempt to take the those super powers out all at once, while they are fighting each other.. in whicn case the better portion of the world is screwed.
     
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    iatbm Prominent Member

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    #93
    Ehh. Paranoia :D

    Countries around the world are not waiting to strike anyone. People around the world have different thinking than those of colonial powers.

    For example chinese were during the history most powerful in the world and yet they built one of the greatest structures of the world not to conquer someone but to defend themselves. Got the point ?
    They had navy bigger than all the rest together and yet they didn't go around the world colonizing people but sent trading ships around. You got the point here ?

    Some people don't have hidden agendas behind and some nations and countries don't want to take over the world.

    Get over that paranoia thing people....
     
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    drmike Well-Known Member

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    I am not really paranoid per sa, jsut exploring the options... and if China did chime in, as you say I can not see it as an attempt to move towards globalization, but rather an attempt to thwart the US's attempt at globalization.
     
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    #95
    Russia's best interest is selling weapons, not confronting US directly.
    So they wont involve in other's fight. They know that a direct confrontation with US means either an endless war until both of the countries and the economy dried out or end of the world(nuke perspective)...

    Let's face it.. anyone saying that Iran is so powerful that it will defeat US is day dreaming and whoever saying Russia will actively participate in the war is one of those Doom and Gloom crowd.

    US is not fighting with COMBATANTS in Iraq.. they are fighting against insurgents.. US defeated Iraq in just a few days.

    And lastly, If you think US stands no chance against Iran, then either you are a lost western soul with no idea of USA's actual military power and war strategy or a third world resident who just follows the Doom and Gloom crowd or an Iranian/Syrian/etc etc propagandist with nothing better to do in life. ;)

    No offense meant...
     
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    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    #96
    I wouldn't mind seeing Russia obliterated either- TBH.
     
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    drmike Well-Known Member

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    #97
    No offense taken. I live in Canada and have all my life. yes the US took out Iraq in a few days... but it is the insurgents that are giving them the problem... I am sure there will be plenty of this same style of fighting from Iran. I am not really a doom and gloom guy... honestly I think a massive war that whipped most of everyone out is desperatly needed so that humans can start over back from square one and hopefully do things right... cus we have definetly made some major mistakes this time around.
     
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    #98
    Because of this kind of thinking countries actually lost wars. Superior that, superior this.

    Those iranian soldiers are not kids or Iraqi army after a decade of sanctions.

    No one is saying that US army is weak or something but underestimating military capabilities of a country as big as Iran is pretty stupid and can lead to total defeat especially if US soldiers start dying at a rate 100x faster than in Iraq which would definetely happen if US went into land war adventure. US people would go beserk and it would end with pull out just as they pulled out from Saigon.

    You know how Iraqis got beaten by iranians couple of times even though US army helped iraqis ;)
     
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    #99
    Is there anyone that you mind? :D

    I think it is time for you to report yourself to crazy rob and then ban yourself for posting against forum rules. :D
     
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    #100
    That kind of thinking is typical of people who never been in military and just get a hard on by reading and talking about guns, wars, tanks, missiles while looking at the pictures of latest bombs or fighter airplanes. :D
     
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